Ok I blew my Boost Ls set 2 days ago. As Of Now I have a Complete B16a2 head. So Im just going to buy a complete Block and retune. What I want to know is which will make more power and be safe.
B16a2 Stock Boosted Or Poorman's Type R Boosted????????????


My Stock Ls made 267hp on 12psi and I really would like to be at 300hp with a different set up. Im Not really sure which will make power.

 

so is the question, b16 boosted vs. ls/vtec boosted??

 

Well lets see, a 1.6L vs. a 1.8L. Hmmm.

 

No Ls/vtec. B16 head on a gsr Block Boosted.


Ive searched and really can find any input. Looking for someone that has ran a set like this Boosted.

 

Many different factors come into play here.

1) You can run more boost in either or to make one more powerful than the other

2) If you're going to setup a true poorman's R, (ITR pistons, ITR cams w/GSR block, B16 head) The compression will be way too high IMO for turbo. Even with GSR pistons it'll be around 10.4:1 ish I think

3) IMO 1.8 > 1.6 any day

 

well I have a Buddy with a 2000 b16 and 98 Gsr Stock Shortblock for sale. Both are stock with Low miles. I would like to know if a Stock GSR block and B16 head be better for Boost over a Stock B16 Boosted.

 

i'd go with b16 boost. Sure a 1.8 would make great power but you wont be able to hook up on your launch. B16A turbo I can actually launch very MEAN from a dead stop with less than 150 lbs of torque and when it hits 2nd gear, its going strong. I shift the GSR into second gear I get a big stripe on the floor, I shift the B20 into second gear and I hit the rev limiter from massive wheel spin. Sure, the 1.8 or 2.0s will run strong 3rd,4th, and 5th which is nice to keep up with bikes but its all about which setup would hook up best. IMO.

 

Im really not worried about wheel spin.

 

B16A flat out dominates

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bumsta217 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">B16A flat out dominates</TD></TR></TABLE>

why would you say that?

 

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bumsta217 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i'd go with b16 boost. Sure a 1.8 would make great power but you wont be able to hook up on your launch. B16A turbo I can actually launch very MEAN from a dead stop with less than 150 lbs of torque and when it hits 2nd gear, its going strong. I shift the GSR into second gear I get a big stripe on the floor, I shift the B20 into second gear and I hit the rev limiter from massive wheel spin. Sure, the 1.8 or 2.0s will run strong 3rd,4th, and 5th which is nice to keep up with bikes but its all about which setup would hook up best. IMO.</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

Honestly I don't understand the thinking behind the "poorman's type-r" theory. It's a waste of money about time you finish switching everything out you could have already bought a Type-R

I personally would go with the B16. The Intergra anything worth having (in my personally speaking) is the Type-R motor itself. GSR and LS VTec motors aren't worth the money or time....

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Earthworm Jim &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Honestly I don't understand the thinking behind the "poorman's type-r" theory. It's a waste of money about time you finish switching everything out you could have already bought a Type-R

I personally would go with the B16. The Intergra anything worth having (in my personally speaking) is the Type-R motor itself. GSR and LS VTec motors aren't worth the money or time....</TD></TR></TABLE>

Not everyone can fork out $5,000 all at once

 

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Not everyone can fork out $5,000 all at once</TD></TR></TABLE>

I understand that, I really do. It's called discipline and saving. If you want something bad enough you'll wait for it. Especially when it comes down to a Type-R. They don't cost that much honestly if you think of everything you're getting:

http://www.hmotorsonline.com/s...30010

 

Note, it was about $4200 for the one I was going to buy with taxes and everything because HMotors doesn't ship to Diego.

 

a ls/vtec is a great n/a setup but for boosting, its a big headache. If you already have a b16, a ls-v is good build and very cheap. jus buy a ls block and use your existing pr3/30 pistons and misc stuff and BAM! u have potential 200whp. I wouldn't suggest boosting a ls vtec though.

 

i think this dood is talking about a poor mans with a stock block and stock head. just go ahead and do the poor mans and get some arp head studs so you can boost more

 

Few pointers:

-LSVTEC isn't a "poor's man type R" GSR block + B16 head is.
-Bigger displacement &gt; smaller displacement.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bumsta217 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i'd go with b16 boost. Sure a 1.8 would make great power but you wont be able to hook up on your launch. B16A turbo I can actually launch very MEAN from a dead stop with less than 150 lbs of torque and when it hits 2nd gear, its going strong. I shift the GSR into second gear I get a big stripe on the floor, I shift the B20 into second gear and I hit the rev limiter from massive wheel spin. Sure, the 1.8 or 2.0s will run strong 3rd,4th, and 5th which is nice to keep up with bikes but its all about which setup would hook up best. IMO.</TD></TR></TABLE>

There are ways to limit wheelspin, like traction bars, fender braces, better bushings, solid tranny mounts, engine torque dampers. There are drag cars out there pushing 500FWHP and you are talking how a b16 is better than a b18? Proceed to kill yourself right now. Your opinion on how to shift cars on the street shouldn't be applied to any car. Stop giving false info, and stop quoting yourself

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bumsta217 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">B16A flat out dominates</TD></TR></TABLE>
how ignorant.

 

Go with the gsr bottom and the B16 head. That set up will be fine to boost. Get it tuned and get some ARP studs.

 

b16 i say

 

B16 head on B16 block &lt; B16 head on B18 block.

End of story. I don't want to hear any arguements about launch issues because if you're launching from 4500rpm, they'll be present regardless. Up high and at the one-two shift (and maybe two-three) is where you'll be losing time. If ETs are really that important to you, get slicks.

/thread.

 

Alot of people are getting off the subject.


Im going to use a Stock GSR block and a Stock B16a2 Head. Also going to use my turbo set up that I have on my Blown Ls.

Now I would like to know if it would be safe set up?

 

Only one way to find out. I am sure that the setup will be safe, depends on how much boost you are going to use. I would say, with the B18C block and the B16 head, I wouldn't run over 10psi.

 

I was thinking about 12psi. But 10psi is good!