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Old Jun 27, 2006 | 11:21 AM
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Making more progress towards H4. I had Mike Lock at Calculated Risk cage the hatchback. Mike builds great cages and was really helpful in helping get what I needed.

I just tracked the car this weekend at Fernely and it was awesome. I just need some new brake pads and a figure out why the car is overheating.

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Old Jun 27, 2006 | 11:22 AM
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What engine and what radiator do you run?
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Old Jun 27, 2006 | 11:25 AM
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I'm running a D16z6 that I bought from Mike as well, and the stock DX radiator.

My guess is the following:

Timing
Thermostat
Radiator
Fluid (It's fresh, but it never hurts to do a flush)
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Old Jun 27, 2006 | 11:25 AM
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nice WhIp.


Window net mounting?
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Old Jun 27, 2006 | 11:31 AM
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Nice looking, do those spares go through to the engine bay?
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Old Jun 27, 2006 | 11:40 AM
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Very nice cage Iggy....and Mike. The car is looking really good. Do you have any video of fernley track?

When I decide to cage, Calculated Risk will be the no brainer go to. Did you guys have a discussion about the diagonal bar near the left side of the driver helmet?

Also, did you have work done for the seat mounting as well? Pics?
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Old Jun 27, 2006 | 12:16 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Willard &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Window net mounting?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I have the net, but the mounting hardware is on backorder 2-3 weeks. So I have to wait untill then.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MSchu &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Nice looking, do those spares go through to the engine bay?</TD></TR></TABLE>

No they end right infront of the ecu.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JamesS &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Very nice cage Iggy....and Mike. The car is looking really good. Do you have any video of fernley track?

When I decide to cage, Calculated Risk will be the no brainer go to. Did you guys have a discussion about the diagonal bar near the left side of the driver helmet?

Also, did you have work done for the seat mounting as well? Pics?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I have video. It was my first time at that track and first time out with this car, but it was really a blast. I'll upload the video as soon as I can edit it.

Yes, he explained what each bar would do and why they were important. The seat and sliders are Mugen, so I still need a seat back brace. The mugen rails are really nice.
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Old Jun 27, 2006 | 12:22 PM
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Is it just me or does that dash bar look awfully low and not very safe? What's the reasoning behind putting the bar so low? It look's like the easy way out to me.
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Old Jun 27, 2006 | 12:28 PM
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It's maybe just the angle. I can't kick it when I'm sitting down.
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Old Jun 27, 2006 | 12:36 PM
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But in the event of an impact are your shins or any portion of your leg going to contact the bar? I'm just curious here, I know my fabricator does things a bit differently.
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Old Jun 27, 2006 | 12:39 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Ekasey &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Is it just me or does that dash bar look awfully low and not very safe? What's the reasoning behind putting the bar so low? It look's like the easy way out to me.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I believe the intention is to make the dash bar more effective in a side impact. Note that the dash bar is placed at the same height as the drivers side upper door bar, which in turn is placed about the height of the headlights of an incoming car. That configuration is optimizing the load path for the side impact.
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Old Jun 27, 2006 | 12:49 PM
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That's fine and dandy but it still doesn't answer my question of what may happen if the drivers legs are flung towards that bar? Why not position the dash bar higher in the structure and run a bar from the dash bar down to where the door bars attached to add strength to that structure?
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Old Jun 27, 2006 | 12:53 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gotocrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I believe the intention is to make the dash bar more effective in a side impact. Note that the dash bar is placed at the same height as the drivers side upper door bar, which in turn is placed about the height of the headlights of an incoming car. That configuration is optimizing the load path for the side impact. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes. if you worried about your legs, hi-density foam it
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Old Jun 27, 2006 | 01:31 PM
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Question...

I know that this might sound stupid, but I have a 92 4dr civic that im thinking about turing into a autocross car... have you seen any 4dr roll bar cages?

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Old Jun 27, 2006 | 01:48 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Otherguy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Question...

I know that this might sound stupid, but I have a 92 4dr civic that im thinking about turing into a autocross car... have you seen any 4dr roll bar cages?

Thanks

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I highly doubt that if you're autocrossing, you won't be needing any sort of roll cage. If you're road racing, like some of the other people on this forum, then you're gonna need a nice, safe cage.
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Old Jun 27, 2006 | 01:58 PM
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well road racing as well... It was stripped down to nothing on the inside and since i dont want to replace everything on the inside i thought that i might be able to slap a cage in there and have some fun with road racing/auto crossing
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Old Jun 27, 2006 | 02:30 PM
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I think in the event of a crash, my feet would break first by hitting the pedal assembly and then shins on that bar.
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Old Jun 27, 2006 | 02:38 PM
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Very nice setup. I especially like how he did the halo (roof bars)
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Old Jun 27, 2006 | 03:20 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Ekasey &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">But in the event of an impact are your shins or any portion of your leg going to contact the bar? I'm just curious here, I know my fabricator does things a bit differently.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Actually I thought the opposite,
I've seen many bars that sit lower than that, it actually looks like its up there! The nearside angle is deceptive
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Old Jun 27, 2006 | 03:46 PM
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I didn't know that a Civic Dx with a D16Z6 engine swap is allowed to race in H4. Are Cx and Vx shells also allowed to race in H4 with a D16Z6 engine swap?
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Old Jun 27, 2006 | 03:56 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Reid &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I didn't know that a Civic Dx with a D16Z6 engine swap is allowed to race in H4. Are Cx and Vx shells also allowed to race in H4 with a D16Z6 engine swap? </TD></TR></TABLE>
Yup, you can take advantage of the chassis swap rule and run a CX or VX with a D16Z6 as an Si. That's what I be doing.
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Old Jun 27, 2006 | 06:14 PM
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Little OT, but did you run the newish section of Fernley? I'm interested to see a vid of the new part.
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Old Jun 27, 2006 | 06:46 PM
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nice color on the cage iggy! I never thought of painting a cage that color. Looks HOT! Sorry I didn't make it out to fernly, with the heat wave 'n all I decided to go waterskiing instead. You may have been overheating because you were at 5000 feet, in 110 degree weather, with a stock radiator. Pop an integra rad in there. Thats is what I had in the slow and didn't have any problems.
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Old Jun 27, 2006 | 07:02 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sporkcrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Little OT, but did you run the newish section of Fernley? I'm interested to see a vid of the new part.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes it was the new part. 20 turns, some of them looked the same to it took a while to remember.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mikeski38 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">nice color on the cage iggy! I never thought of painting a cage that color. Looks HOT! Sorry I didn't make it out to fernly, with the heat wave 'n all I decided to go waterskiing instead. You may have been overheating because you were at 5000 feet, in 110 degree weather, with a stock radiator. Pop an integra rad in there. Thats is what I had in the slow and didn't have any problems. </TD></TR></TABLE>

It was a total bitch to paint though! I never new metalic paint sprayed so far, I had overspray on the roof of the car.

It was really hot at Fernley I don't know if I want to do it again just because of that. Can I run an Integra radiator in H4? I can get a type r one for free, but I didn't want to put it in since I had to remove the stock brackets.
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Old Jun 27, 2006 | 07:08 PM
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i want to do this to my 4dr... *sigh* i just dont know if it would work out to well :\
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