I have roughly $4000 to spend on a turbo kit and tuning for my 2000 si. I've been looking at the Drag and Revhard kits for sale on ht, which both go for $2600 (see below for details). These kits look nearly identical and my research has concluded that both make about the same power. I am hoping to push more than 250hp with a Neptune tune that will cost me an addition $750. Thus, I will have roughly $1000 left for additional upgrades. I was thinking about adding a Skunk2 intake manifold and Skunk2 stage 1 turbo camshafts…what do you guys think??? Any suggestions or recommendations would be very much appreciated. Thanks!!!

Revhard https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1597110
Rev Hard Cast Iron Manifold (w/AC)
Precision T3/T04E Hybrid Turbo - efficient to 450hp
Rev Hard Intercooler 27x6.5x3
TiAL 35mm External Wastegate set @ 7psi
Vortec Blow Off Valve
2.25" Aluminized Mandrel Bent Piping
2.5" Downpipe
2.25” Steel Upper Charge Pipe
Billet Map Diffuser (check valve)
Boost Dependant Fuel Regulator
High Volume Fuel Pump
Purosil Silicone Hoses & Clamps
Steel Braided -3 Oil Feed Line
Oil Return Line
High Pressure Fuel Line
High Pressure Silicon Hose
Necessary Vacuum Tee's, Silicone Vacuum Lines, and bolts and fasteners

Drag https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=981195
Drag High flow 4 into 1 cast iron turbo exhaust manifod
Master Power Turbo
*Tial Wastegate
Spearco front mount intercooler w/ polished tanks
BLITZ dual drive Blow Off Valve
Drag mandrel bent high flow powder coated intercooler pipes
Drag mandrel bent high flow exhaust down pipe
Drag wastegaste dump tube
Heavy Duty silicone hose and hose clamps
*Walbro 255 Fuel Pump
Vortech 12:1 Boost dependent FMU fuel regulator
Intake air filter assembly
Map sensor bypass valves
Stainless steel braided oil feed line w/ fittings
Oil return assemblyAll necessary hardware and fittings, hose and hose clamps, gaskets

 

Either of those kits will be good to start off with. And to you for planning out an EMS, before you start driving the car. Definently pick up some injectors, for your first setup, stay with the stock cams, you'll make good power. ARP headstuds and a fresh headgasket and you should be good to go.

 

FUll race or Peak Boost will give you more power then you ever want, and excellent quality. It will also allow you to buy a Fuel management unit ie.. ECU, injectors, and tunning. My two cents

 

Thanks for the info! I was just throwing out some options as far as the cams and im go.

What size injectors would you recommend?

 

Thanks for info!

My civic is a summer car...I want to keep my AC and PS, so pretty much Peakboost and Full Race would be out of the question.

 

-Full-race stg1 kit
-750 injectors
-New clutch
-Hondata s300
-A new adj FPR (Aeromotive is my choice)
-Arp headstuds
-(walbro 255HP fuelpump)

Will give you 250-300hp in about 7-8psi boost and you can upgrade for more hp later
(you will exeed your 4000 budget a little)

 

Full-Race does offer a AC compatible kit, a few modifications, but it fits and works.

Injectors you can really do whatever you want, I'd go with atleast 550'ss, so you have some room to grow, but like atec said, 750's won't hurt either. As long as you are going to a competent tuner, injector size shouldn't effect the driveability of your car. As people are suggesting, yes Full-Race or PeakBoost are your best two options; but other than you stating the car is your summer car and you want PS, AC, and ~250 whp, we don't really know your goals. What kind of powerband are you looking for, is the car daily driven, street/strip?

 

I'm liking the Full-race kit! Wishin that the kit with AC wasn't so much more expensive though...$3500 would be perfect!

I barely drive my car becaue I work in the city and take the train to work, but I guess you can consider it a daily driver since I take it out on the weekends to cruise around.

I'm not familiar with powerband...can you please explain?! ...nevermind i'll research it!


Modified by ken00si at 1:30 PM 6/27/2006

 

full-race hands down!!!! get a fuel pump, ems, 750cc, and tune it. your money will be well spent.

 

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Thanks for the info!

 

glad to see your budgeting well, do no forget the aforementioned kits do not include a full exhaust for the car, only the downpipe section, just a thot as to alot funds for this, as well as perhaps a clutch and depending on your success some better rubber. also i realize i may be flammed for this, but for your projected goals you really do not require better than a cast manifold, nor do you require a fuel pump, fpr, anything larger than 550 injectors or any ignitions mods. i would *recommend* these parts to you because they are responisble reliability mods or if you feel that you will continue to expand your power goals. also i'm not entirely sure of your plans, sounds like netune so i imagine you'll be getting time on someones dyno, but if never hurts to have your own a/f guage and/or any other supporting gauges ie boost, oil press. etc

 

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Great thanks!

I forgot to mention I already have an ACT heavy duty clutch and XACT flywheel, Greddy Evo II exhaust, Random Technology hi-flow cat, and Yokohama Parada Spec 2's. Do you think all these will suffice?

 

What do you guys think about this Neukin bseries turbo kit... http://turbogoods.com/index.as...ID=53 ???

With upgrades it looks to be comparable to the Peakboost and Full-race stage 1 kits. Only thing missing is intercooler piping.

 

I believe there is still a new stage 1 Full Race kit thats ac compliant on eBay w/ new clutch and flywheel.

 

those kits you listed dont include injectors... youll definatley need that. and a tial gate is recommended

 

Full Race, let me just say that again. THanks

Do it right the first time, and with your budget you should be able to get a really good kit the first time around. If you install it yourself you should save big also. Prepare well, you will definately need an exhaust, 3" is really well for that hp. AC ? if you do not drive it everyday take it off, will save you space. The peakboost kit is pretty complete and good quality also. Leave yourself about 600 to $1000 for the rest of the turbo goodies like AFR meter, boost guage, tunning, replacing hoses and crap, welding for the oil pan, turbo filter, oil change, clutch, new plugs and rotors fuel filter etc... PLan plan plan and you will save in the end.

 

All Full Race kits on Special check here

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1152505

Also have AC compatible ones sir. Stage 1AC kit is $3889 shipped

 

whenever you're ready for the kit, definently go thru Terry

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ken00si &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What do you guys think about this Neukin bseries turbo kit... http://turbogoods.com/index.as...ID=53 ???

With upgrades it looks to be comparable to the Peakboost and Full-race stage 1 kits. Only thing missing is intercooler piping.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Those are great manifolds too. Alex does great work and I consider it very much comparible to Full-Race. Though with the Neukin kit you still need the intercooler piping. You can get that from Inlinepro, since he uses their intercoolers anyway.

 

Piece your own turbo kit together with 4grand and youll be owning 90% of the peeps on here. Id go ramhorn manifold from spoolin with a 4" DP. GT35R. AEM EMS, Spoolin peformance intercooling piping, RC injectors ( size dependant on power output and goals). You might consider a GT30 with the larger A/R because of the smaller displacement of the 1.6L

 

Then look into a new intake manifold, Throttle body, and some good turbo cams.

 

Dont waste your money on a Skunk2 IM. Not on a street car. The B16 intake manifold is very hard to beat on a street car. That skunk2 will make more peak power, from about 7500rpm on up. Below that the b16 is handsdown. Even the Edelbrock IM everyone claims to make more power on. Its, true from about 7000+ Ive seen countless dyno sheets of people losing hp in the lower - mid rpm range. But them high peak numbers is what makes them popular i guess.

Get the TB bored and entrance to the IM bored to match it. Will pick up 3-5 hp or so on a turbocharged car. But the huge increase in throttle response is what makes a bored TB fun!

Your factory cams will do great for 250-300whp. I wouldnt worry about wasting money on camshafts.

2.5" dp works fine for a 200-250whp setup. If you plan on 300+whp, id definatly opt for a 3" straight back exhuast and downpipe.

 

Thanks for the info guys, it is very helpful!

So far I'm leaning towards the Full-Race with AC kit or the Neukin kit, but still not totally sure. And I have come up with some more goals...

Basically, I want something that will produce quick boost, I'm not looking for crazy top end power, and I'd like to get something that I can upgrade in the future. Thus, I'm leaning towards a gt28rs (350hp) or a gt2871 (400hp).

What do you guys think and would you still recommend the Full-Race or Neukin kits for these goals???

 

Is a fuel pressure regulator necessary or just a recommended upgrade?

Any other brands you guys would recommend besides Aeromotive?

 

if you've extended your goals to the 350+ hp range, i would surmise to say yes you will be ordering an fpr as well, aeromotive is my #1, but i no my roomate has had success with his aem, altho alot of guys have had diaphram problems with them and they do not enjoy racegas lol. so there ya go, just .02 again