did a search. couldn't find anyhting. im returning my car to stock and just having koni yellow shocks on the lowest perch settin with stock springs and comptech sway bar. Im trying to be in "E stock" class. will it pass?

The comptech website had something about the sway bar being "SCCA showroom stock C" requirement. http://solar.innercite.com/comptech/suspension3.html whats that all about? please. if you have any info. let me know. thanks.

 

In Stock class autoX, the spring perches must be at their stock setting (unless you have a car like a Miata R which had a lower than stock spring search from the factory) and the front sway bar may be modified, but not the rear.

Ryan

 

so what's comptech blabbering about it being stock class??

 

Comptech is referring to Showroom Stock C which is a road racing class. A few years ago to equalize competition in Showroom Stock SCCA implemented "trunk kits" which were basically a specific set of modifications for each car in SSB or SSC in order to create better parity. This was a colossal failure as the Civic Si annihilated all comers with its Comptech swaybar and aftermarket shocks (Mugen IIRC). Now SCCA is eliminating trunk kits, mostly because manufacturers have not been giving SCCA the support they need to make fair trunk kits.

In autocrossing rear swaybar != stock class. Only front sway bars are allowed, which sucks for us campaigning front wheel drive...

If you want more info on the classing and rules for autocrossing check out http://www.moutons.org/sccasolo/

-G
Edit: spelling


[Modified by JMU R1, 8:25 AM 4/18/2002]

 

This rule was brought about many years ago, when most cars were RWD. The "stock" rules used to be quite liberal, and the "street prepared" rules list read more like a prepared/modified class. However, with the reshuffling and addition of new classes the front sway bar rule stuck. Some people have said that you should allow replacement of the sway bar opposite the drive wheels (rear sway for FWD, front sway for RWD) but, its not likely to change that way - more likely to be eliminated all together.

If you drive a nose heavy softly sprung underdamped understeering POS like a saturn, a big front sway bar can help keep the front end planted down and the inside wheel on the ground in a turn - otherwise my suspension would unload off the inside wheel and it would spin like a motherf@#%!

 

ahhh.. thanks for clearing that up for my. thats too bad FF cars can't change rear sway bars, we really need it. oh well, im keeping my sway bar. its too good to take off.

so should i be in the E prepared class or the STS class? what do you think?


[Modified by ToneyTigre, 11:55 AM 4/18/2002]

 

With the mods you have you should be more competitive in STS. '99-00 Civic Si's with springs/Konis & swaybar (and with I/H/E) do pretty well in STS.
I don't see how your car qualifies for EP. In order for your car to get kicked up to a Prepared class you must have true engine or head mods or lighten up the car. Do you have any engine mods, or taken out the seats, paneling, etc? If no, then your other choice besides STS is SP or Street Prepared (DSP or CSP - gotta look it up). SP is a much faster class than STS, because most have R tires, LSD, lighter flywheel, etc. on top of I/H/E & suspension mods. In STS you 're not allowed to add LSD, flywheel, etc. and everyone is on street tires.

 

Showroom stock does not mean solo 2 stock. Two completely different things.

 

Hmm, I heard a different story on the history of stock and SP...

Stock has always been about the same - allownces generally were based on wear items (shocks, plugs, wires, tires), not performance. And SP has become more lenient over time - hell look at the statement of purpose on the first page - it says something to the effect of "although called street prepared, cars are not actually streetable anymore". I was under the impression that the swaybar allownace in Stock was a safety item.

Anybody know the real history?

 

well, back to STS i go...

 

Well, street prepared rules, as we know them now, were initially created to allow a streetable car with lots of performance upgrades...

Back in the day when people had MG's and other assorted british cars that were always broken and blowing up engines, when rebuilds and such had to come, the rules would allow them to do alot more than a .010" overbore and not balance it, since it was going to be expensive as fvck either way. At this time there was pretty much "stock" and "prepared" as i understand it. Street prepared was added to provide a happy medium and the stock rules were toned down a bit, and the front sway bar allowance carried over in stock.

This is the story as i understand it. I could be wrong. If i am, i'll buy ya a and you can tell me the straight poop