EG or EF turbo drag car....please help me decide!
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EG or EF turbo drag car....please help me decide!
ive got a 94 ex coupe, and my brother is giving me his 91 crx si. im gettin a jdm b16, and my friend is hookin me up with his DRAG turbo kit. i was wondering, what would be the better candidate to swap it in? i want a street drag car runnin 12's on street tires and 11's on slicks. which is the better car in terms of traction??
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Re: EG or EF turbo drag car....please help me decide! (aallbbeerrtttttt)
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i'll tell you one thing, you're not gonna hit 12's or 11's on a drag kit, you're gonna need something better than that, and last time i checked, traction is not based on car chassis, but rather tire specs...
go search and stop dreaming...go troll in the forced induction forums for a while and you'll see what it takes for 12 second street cars...
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Geez, easy JERK!!
As far as the chassis choice goes, the crx is definatley your better choice for a few reasons:
1. Aside from the Honda Insight the CRX is one of the best aerodynamically designed cars there is which means less resistance which means it will take less power go faster.
2. The CRX is going to weigh substantially less than the ex coupe which also means it will take less power to reach your goal. If my memory serves the crx si weighs right at 2200 lbs with full interior and the ex couple is around 2600 lbs. 400 lbs is a pretty big difference.
As for your actual motor setup:
He is right that you won't be able to achieve your goal with a drag kit. You'll certainly need to build your motor (not sure if you were planning on that or not). And sell that drag kit and peice together your own. Get like a 50 trim .63 a/r turbo and a nice manifold with 3" exhaust and 550cc injectors and a good tuner. It's not near as hard to reach your goal as the guy above makes it out to be. He's just being a butt hole. A traction bar and a good suspension setup (semi firm front-very firm back) will help you with traction and you'd definately benefit from an LSD. This also depends on the tranny you plan on using, if you want to drag I'd certainly recommend the b16 or ITR tranny's. A setup on an EF done right can make it into the 12's with less than 300 whp which is easily made on a boosted b-series.
i'll tell you one thing, you're not gonna hit 12's or 11's on a drag kit, you're gonna need something better than that, and last time i checked, traction is not based on car chassis, but rather tire specs...
go search and stop dreaming...go troll in the forced induction forums for a while and you'll see what it takes for 12 second street cars...
</TD></TR></TABLE>Geez, easy JERK!!
As far as the chassis choice goes, the crx is definatley your better choice for a few reasons:
1. Aside from the Honda Insight the CRX is one of the best aerodynamically designed cars there is which means less resistance which means it will take less power go faster.
2. The CRX is going to weigh substantially less than the ex coupe which also means it will take less power to reach your goal. If my memory serves the crx si weighs right at 2200 lbs with full interior and the ex couple is around 2600 lbs. 400 lbs is a pretty big difference.
As for your actual motor setup:
He is right that you won't be able to achieve your goal with a drag kit. You'll certainly need to build your motor (not sure if you were planning on that or not). And sell that drag kit and peice together your own. Get like a 50 trim .63 a/r turbo and a nice manifold with 3" exhaust and 550cc injectors and a good tuner. It's not near as hard to reach your goal as the guy above makes it out to be. He's just being a butt hole. A traction bar and a good suspension setup (semi firm front-very firm back) will help you with traction and you'd definately benefit from an LSD. This also depends on the tranny you plan on using, if you want to drag I'd certainly recommend the b16 or ITR tranny's. A setup on an EF done right can make it into the 12's with less than 300 whp which is easily made on a boosted b-series.
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you guys are giving a lot of misinformation here.
i have an EG hatch weighing 2180lbs with me in it. i'm running a STOCK single cam vtec motor with a very simple setup and i'm running low 12s. i should be in the high 11s with just a few changes.
A b16 with a drag kit CAN run 12s or even 11s for that matter. it all depends on how far you push the motor and how light the car is set up.
as stated above, crx si 2200lbs (w/ full interior, lighter if gutted)
if your setup pushes 300whp, you can achieve 12s with no problem (most likely on slicks tho).
with the car gutted or w/ more power you can achieve 11s.
you should do some research in the forced induction and drag racing forums before asking here.
i have an EG hatch weighing 2180lbs with me in it. i'm running a STOCK single cam vtec motor with a very simple setup and i'm running low 12s. i should be in the high 11s with just a few changes.
A b16 with a drag kit CAN run 12s or even 11s for that matter. it all depends on how far you push the motor and how light the car is set up.
as stated above, crx si 2200lbs (w/ full interior, lighter if gutted)
if your setup pushes 300whp, you can achieve 12s with no problem (most likely on slicks tho).
with the car gutted or w/ more power you can achieve 11s.
you should do some research in the forced induction and drag racing forums before asking here.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nerdsports »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you guys are giving a lot of misinformation here.
i have an EG hatch weighing 2180lbs with me in it. i'm running a STOCK single cam vtec motor with a very simple setup and i'm running low 12s. i should be in the high 11s with just a few changes.
A b16 with a drag kit CAN run 12s or even 11s for that matter. it all depends on how far you push the motor and how light the car is set up.
as stated above, crx si 2200lbs (w/ full interior, lighter if gutted)
if your setup pushes 300whp, you can achieve 12s with no problem (most likely on slicks tho).
with the car gutted or w/ more power you can achieve 11s.
you should do some research in the forced induction and drag racing forums before asking here.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Hey, before you say it's misinformation read what you're saying. He has an EG COUPE!! NOT AN EG HATCH. There is a HUGE weight difference between the EG coupe and hatch especially if you're talking about a CX/VX hatch and an EX coupe. And if you call a turbo kit making 273 whp on a stock d-block a simple setup I'd hate to see what you think is complicated. As far as the setup goes, go ahead and run the drag kit and see if it meets your needs but you'd benefit substantially from making your own kit.
i have an EG hatch weighing 2180lbs with me in it. i'm running a STOCK single cam vtec motor with a very simple setup and i'm running low 12s. i should be in the high 11s with just a few changes.
A b16 with a drag kit CAN run 12s or even 11s for that matter. it all depends on how far you push the motor and how light the car is set up.
as stated above, crx si 2200lbs (w/ full interior, lighter if gutted)
if your setup pushes 300whp, you can achieve 12s with no problem (most likely on slicks tho).
with the car gutted or w/ more power you can achieve 11s.
you should do some research in the forced induction and drag racing forums before asking here.
</TD></TR></TABLE>Hey, before you say it's misinformation read what you're saying. He has an EG COUPE!! NOT AN EG HATCH. There is a HUGE weight difference between the EG coupe and hatch especially if you're talking about a CX/VX hatch and an EX coupe. And if you call a turbo kit making 273 whp on a stock d-block a simple setup I'd hate to see what you think is complicated. As far as the setup goes, go ahead and run the drag kit and see if it meets your needs but you'd benefit substantially from making your own kit.
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Hey, before you say it's misinformation read what you're saying. He has an EG COUPE!! NOT AN EG HATCH. There is a HUGE weight difference between the EG coupe and hatch especially if you're talking about a CX/VX hatch and an EX coupe. As far as the setup goes, go ahead and run the drag kit and see if it meets your needs but you'd benefit substantially from making your own kit.</TD></TR></TABLE>
i believe i was comparing it to the weight of the crx, not the eg coupe.
Hey, before you say it's misinformation read what you're saying. He has an EG COUPE!! NOT AN EG HATCH. There is a HUGE weight difference between the EG coupe and hatch especially if you're talking about a CX/VX hatch and an EX coupe. As far as the setup goes, go ahead and run the drag kit and see if it meets your needs but you'd benefit substantially from making your own kit.</TD></TR></TABLE>
i believe i was comparing it to the weight of the crx, not the eg coupe.
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Like I said above, I'm sure he'll pull it off and I now realize that you were bringing up your eg hatch as a weight reference not comparison. Either way, 273 whp on a stock d-block is far from simple I'd think... But that doesn't matter, he has a b-series and he can make 273 whp on less than 10 psi.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by QuarterMileMaster »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Like I said above, I'm sure he'll pull it off and I now realize that you were bringing up your eg hatch as a weight reference not comparison. Either way, 273 whp on a stock d-block is far from simple I'd think...
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actually, setup is quite simple and you can click on his website to check it out. short tubular manifold, t3/t04e, and full exhaust. stock block stock head.
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But that doesn't matter, he has a b-series and he can make 273 whp on less than 10 psi.</TD></TR></TABLE>
exactly. so i dont see him hitting 12s/11s being a problem.
heyy aaaaaaaallllllllll... i cant finish typing that ****. looks like you need to search, or if you have a b series with a drag kit and arent hitting 12s, learn to drive.
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sure, take crxboys advice and get a dsm... you'll have plenty of fun with that.
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actually, setup is quite simple and you can click on his website to check it out. short tubular manifold, t3/t04e, and full exhaust. stock block stock head.
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But that doesn't matter, he has a b-series and he can make 273 whp on less than 10 psi.</TD></TR></TABLE>
exactly. so i dont see him hitting 12s/11s being a problem.
heyy aaaaaaaallllllllll... i cant finish typing that ****. looks like you need to search, or if you have a b series with a drag kit and arent hitting 12s, learn to drive.
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sure, take crxboys advice and get a dsm... you'll have plenty of fun with that.
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How do you figure that? Just because it's not rwd or awd. That's bs. I guess all those 8-9 sec. ef drag cars are all just wasted...
How do you figure that? Just because it's not rwd or awd. That's bs. I guess all those 8-9 sec. ef drag cars are all just wasted...
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actually, setup is quite simple and you can click on his website to check it out. short tubular manifold, t3/t04e, and full exhaust. stock block stock head.
exactly. so i dont see him hitting 12s/11s being a problem.
heyy aaaaaaaallllllllll... i cant finish typing that ****. looks like you need to search, or if you have a b series with a drag kit and arent hitting 12s, learn to drive.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I'm sure it won't be a problem for him, I got caught up in a stupid argument.
actually, setup is quite simple and you can click on his website to check it out. short tubular manifold, t3/t04e, and full exhaust. stock block stock head.
exactly. so i dont see him hitting 12s/11s being a problem.
heyy aaaaaaaallllllllll... i cant finish typing that ****. looks like you need to search, or if you have a b series with a drag kit and arent hitting 12s, learn to drive.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I'm sure it won't be a problem for him, I got caught up in a stupid argument.
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How do you figure that? Just because it's not rwd or awd. That's bs. I guess all those 8-9 sec. ef drag cars are all just wasted...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Basicly they could have been a great street car or RR platform.
How do you figure that? Just because it's not rwd or awd. That's bs. I guess all those 8-9 sec. ef drag cars are all just wasted...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Basicly they could have been a great street car or RR platform.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ramrod »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why would turning his crx into an 12sec car disqualify it as being a street car? </TD></TR></TABLE>
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To those who said 12s cannot be done with a B16 and a DRAG kit you are officially idiots.
To the OP, the EG would be easier to work on than the CRX. I love my CRX to death but I hate working on it. You can find more pre-fabricated parts for the EG and have your 12s set-up in no time. The CRX would be more fun if you have time to mess around with it.
To the OP, the EG would be easier to work on than the CRX. I love my CRX to death but I hate working on it. You can find more pre-fabricated parts for the EG and have your 12s set-up in no time. The CRX would be more fun if you have time to mess around with it.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vg7z »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ive got a 94 ex coupe, and my brother is giving me his 91 crx si. im gettin a jdm b16, and my friend is hookin me up with his DRAG turbo kit. i was wondering, what would be the better candidate to swap it in? i want a <FONT SIZE="3">street drag car runnin 12's </FONT> on street tires and 11's on slicks. which is the better car in terms of traction??</TD></TR></TABLE>
im sorry crxman, you don't need a one piece front end and FAL windows to run 12s.
im sorry crxman, you don't need a one piece front end and FAL windows to run 12s.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Doodoo »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">To those who said 12s cannot be done with a DRAG kit you are officially idiots.
To the OP, the EG would be easier to work on than the CRX. I love my CRX to death but I hate working on it. You can find more pre-fabricated parts and have your 12s set-up in no time. The CRX would be more fun if you have time to mess around with it.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yes there is a ton more room in the EG engine bay for an exhaust driven compressor and what have you. IIRC there was an issure of SCC about 5 years ago and the title was 400hp club, and there was a GSR teg, with a drag kit making over 400hp with it. It can be done. Not the best choice by any means but probally the simplest.
To the OP, the EG would be easier to work on than the CRX. I love my CRX to death but I hate working on it. You can find more pre-fabricated parts and have your 12s set-up in no time. The CRX would be more fun if you have time to mess around with it.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yes there is a ton more room in the EG engine bay for an exhaust driven compressor and what have you. IIRC there was an issure of SCC about 5 years ago and the title was 400hp club, and there was a GSR teg, with a drag kit making over 400hp with it. It can be done. Not the best choice by any means but probally the simplest.
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im sorry crxman, you don't need a one piece front end and FAL windows to run 12s.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Or a turbo for that matter my car will be capable of low 12's high 11's but it will never see a drag strip. I just think if you are building something for straightline racing fwd hondas are a bad choice to start with. A LS1 camero, or a DSM would be much better choice. If you do have to waste a honda waste an eg instead!
im sorry crxman, you don't need a one piece front end and FAL windows to run 12s.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Or a turbo for that matter my car will be capable of low 12's high 11's but it will never see a drag strip. I just think if you are building something for straightline racing fwd hondas are a bad choice to start with. A LS1 camero, or a DSM would be much better choice. If you do have to waste a honda waste an eg instead!
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ramrod »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i understand your point about the LS1, or any rwd car for that matter, but i don't see your argument in what would ruin the crx. is it putting a turbo on it that ruins a honda?</TD></TR></TABLE>
No it's just stupid so many people spend all this time and money to make great handling car go straight I don't get it. It's not ruining the car, it is wasting it. Drag racing is boring, I've done it before and it is no fun at all. I've attended many national events and often times thought my time would be better ultized doing yard work. I would much rather have a fun street car to play with at HPDEs, Time Attacks, or Open track days. I just don't see the intrest in wasting all the time and resources in going in a straight line.
No it's just stupid so many people spend all this time and money to make great handling car go straight I don't get it. It's not ruining the car, it is wasting it. Drag racing is boring, I've done it before and it is no fun at all. I've attended many national events and often times thought my time would be better ultized doing yard work. I would much rather have a fun street car to play with at HPDEs, Time Attacks, or Open track days. I just don't see the intrest in wasting all the time and resources in going in a straight line.
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No it's just stupid so many people spend all this time and money to make great handling car go straight I don't get it. It's not ruining the car, it is wasting it. Drag racing is boring, I've done it before and it is no fun at all. I've attended many national events and often times thought my time would be better ultized doing yard work. I would much rather have a fun street car to play with at HPDEs, Time Attacks, or Open track days. I just don't see the intrest in wasting all the time and resources in going in a straight line. </TD></TR></TABLE>
No it's just stupid so many people spend all this time and money to make great handling car go straight I don't get it. It's not ruining the car, it is wasting it. Drag racing is boring, I've done it before and it is no fun at all. I've attended many national events and often times thought my time would be better ultized doing yard work. I would much rather have a fun street car to play with at HPDEs, Time Attacks, or Open track days. I just don't see the intrest in wasting all the time and resources in going in a straight line. </TD></TR></TABLE>
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i love drag racing, but i don't think RR is dumb at all, nor will i bash the silly "Road racers" who go around cones in a parking lot in their slow cars.
for you to make a drag car would be a waste of a chassis because thats not what you enjoy, for me or for the OP it definately wouldn't be. to each his own.
for you to make a drag car would be a waste of a chassis because thats not what you enjoy, for me or for the OP it definately wouldn't be. to each his own.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ramrod »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i love drag racing, but i don't think RR is dumb at all, nor will i bash the silly "Road racers" who go around cones in a parking lot in their slow cars.
for you to make a drag car would be a waste of a chassis because thats not what you enjoy, for me or for the OP it definately wouldn't be. to each his own.
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Just do me a favor guys, Auto-x once. I guaruntee you will have way more fun.
for you to make a drag car would be a waste of a chassis because thats not what you enjoy, for me or for the OP it definately wouldn't be. to each his own.
</TD></TR></TABLE>Just do me a favor guys, Auto-x once. I guaruntee you will have way more fun.