I have done some search already and it seems like most people are either using their roll bar/cage or the Sparco harness bar. I dont think that it is that hard to make one if you have the right bender and tools.. obviously.

If you have fabbed one before, i would like to get ideas from you. Thank you for your time.

-Arnel

 

I think that I will attempt this fab based off Sparco design

 

i remember some past threads probably int he archives now about a guy who made one for his del sol.

then there was another thread and a ton of people said theyre unsafe and argued with me on that for awhile. but they didnt understand the harness bar is only made to support a harness. people were bunching their undies because they told me to get a roll bar and i said i only wanted something for harness securing, not roll-over protection, and they didnt understand for some reason.

i want to do this too. in time i will. sparco design is good to mimick .
-derek

 

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then there was another thread and a ton of people said theyre unsafe and argued with me on that for awhile. but they didnt understand the harness bar is only made to support a harness. people were bunching their undies because they told me to get a roll bar and i said i only wanted something for harness securing, not roll-over protection, and they didnt understand for some reason.</TD></TR></TABLE>

A harness bar alone is unsafe, I can understand that you want a harness to me more secure in your seat, but after seeing a car flip over in person, I would never ever not take a roll over into consideration.

Back to the original post, use chromoly and read a rule book to get an idea of how to mount the harness.

 

exactly the douschebaggery i was talking about from my other thread. thanks for being a good example.

 

ha ha.......

dfox, got any materials for sale on this type of project?

 

no sorry. but your best bet is some dom chrome steel somewhere local. i would go with something like .065 or more wall thickness. then some good 1/4" endplates.

 

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You're mature, harness with out a proper roll bar is just plan stupid. There is a reason why so many people will post what I posted, because you should not be running a harness with out a roll bar.

Give me a good enough reason why someone should just run a harness bar and no roll bar ( since they are almost priced the same )

Thermal http://www.chassisshop.com , all you will need.

 

yep its not unsafe unless you roll over. and not having one and rolling over is just as bad, so if all you need is a harness mount then no problems.

 

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Yeah, and if you think like that you will be dead sooner or later, you always prepare for the worse when building a race car. A harness does not belong anywhere near the streets.

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Cars and seatbelts are design to save lives, a regular seatbelt will allow you to move out of the way of a roof.

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Thats about the only good thing of a harness bar. To the original poster, take neck angels into consideration, pick up the nhra rule book and take a look of what I mean. It will show you exactly how you want it.

 

http://www.nhrasportcompact.co....html

Its 05 but should help either way

 

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Thats about the only good thing of a harness bar. To the original poster, take neck angels into consideration, pick up the nhra rule book and take a look of what I mean. It will show you exactly how you want it. </TD></TR></TABLE>

this is the only thing anyone here is discussing.

 

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Yep but its a public forum, I just don't want anyone getting hurt and I wanted to make it a clear, a harness bar alone is not safe.

I'm done with that topic though

 

yes, yes you are.

 

thx 90blackcrx... those links are awesome!

 

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, you will be amazed what you can already buy pre bought from chassis shop.

 

90 black crx I don't always agree with you, but I am glad to know that neither of us will be crippled because of stupidity. Also Lincoln Rules!

Dfoxengr, even a SMALL impact from the side will cripple you if you are running a harness bar without a cage. I assume the engr means you are an engineer. That must have been a tech school or online degree or something. And yes I am being an *** because that seems to be all you understand.

If you are just trying to mount your takatas to look 'm4d tight y0!" fine, but if you are using this as a safety device, please for your own good don't. There's a reason no respectable rule making body would recognize this sort of thing as a legitamate safety device.

 

yeah youre right. that VT in my signature means "vocational tech", and i suppose sparco doesnt know what theyre doing making a legal harness bar for our cars either

im guessing i could also assume that you are not an engineer and therefore dont know what youre talking about. go find me som tests that say a simple harness bar will cripple you.

and youre missing the best part. nobody is coming at the side of you when youre drag racing(which is where i would be suggesting to use this to comply to harness necessity rules.)

oh and that same side load would do the same if you werent using a harness bar too.


Modified by dfoxengr at 10:35 PM 6/16/2006

 

There are no tests either way. Only accidents and injuries. There is no point in aguing, it's all been discussed and people have already made up their minds and set their safety priorities.

Anyways, Call Case western and GM and get my degree verification and previous employment verification.

I give up.
This thread just became worthless. Have fun kids.

 

I understand the safety issue that everybody is concerned about even before I posted this. I enjoy fabrication and I just got interested with harness bars.

 

honestly i just cant see how a wreck without anything and a wreck with just a bar would be much different, please inform me since you guys are such experts...

 

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I'm with you man. This bar is for the harness. I dont intend to make it seem like a roll bar.