Hey guys,

I've done the search,
but didnt come up with much ..

I can get a os giken twin plate carbon clutch for a very very good price..
and i had some questions for anyone who is running this or a similar setup ..

the car is for mostly street with track events every 2 month or so ..

now i wanted to know
1) how harsh would this clutch bite in comparison to a) stock, b) the single plate. 309d c) the twin plate metal equivalent

2) if u need to modify anything to fit the clutch

3) if this will wear significantly quickly?

Thanks in advance guys!

 

Ask H-T member Dee, he knows more about these clutches than anyone

 

thanks mate..
ill try to IM him ..

 

a twin disc carbon clutch is way more hardcore than you would need on your car unless you are making 300+ whp.

i ran a triple plate exedy metallic clutch on my GTR with an unsprung hub and it was a *BITCH* in traffic as it is very difficult to slip at all. it is either 100% on or 100% off.

my silvia had a twin disc metallic and it was a lot more liveable, but still pretty harsh engagement if i wasn't careful.

i've tried my friends triple disc carbon unit in his Evo and the pedal feel felt like stock. it was very nice.

don't go metallic if you get a multi plate clutch, they are loud and rough.

 

Thanks for the reply,

So from what you said a twin plate carbon clutch wont be too bad??

 

it won't be bad, but it will be way expensive, and if your car is used primarily on the street, and you have under 300 whp, then it is pretty unnecessary.

 

nah its an item thats being sold for about 1/2 price .. used for about 500 kms on another forum member's car..

i have under 300whp =P
but i just thought it would be a steal to get..
worth it ?

 

If I only knew what forum you were on....

I'd tell you NO...IT'S POOP....

and then steal it from under you...

I agree with what everything has been said about the metal clutches.... I really hated driving on a cusco super single....

look forward to your review of the carbon

 

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I agree with what everything has been said about the metal clutches.... I really hated driving on a cusco super single....

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Hahahaha that clutch was way too hardcore for street driving, the noise was ridiculous! But man it grabbed HARD

One of my other friends (DC5RK20A) has the ORC (Ogura) 309 carbon single; he says it's a bit noisy but the pedal is nowhere as stiff as the super single metal discs. He doesn't frequent H-T much due to work so I wouldn't bother trying to reach him via IM.

 

Raging Angel : First you'd have to be in australia =P

I think the no.1 thing that is worrying me .. is that the previous owner .. drove the clutch for about 500kms then took it out
cos he couldnt handle it.. hahaha

i just wanna know if its absolute overkill and if it will absolutely overkill my leg ..

 

If you are staying under 300whp the ORC309, OS Super Single (Cusco version), ATS single or just about any other super single will be just fine.

For everybody's information: Most of the newer twin plate setups are being engineered with a softer pedal feel nowadays. My new OS twin for the teg is actually easier to operate than my previous steel cover and aluminum cover OS Giken super singles. The ORC409 in my EVO feels almost like stock but with much shorter pedal travel. The EVO came with a dying OS Giken single that felt exactly like the ones I used in the Teg. Stiff pedal feel with an on/off switch type release.

I would actually stick with a metallic disk seup because they are much cheaper to overhaul. Unless you drive around with your clutch press in 90% the clattering noise shouldn't bother you. Some of the Carbon plate setups are just as loud as the metallic setups.

ALL of the JAPANSE super single, twin, triple and quadruple plate setups that I have come across have an on/off switch type release and usually takes me one or two starts from a dead stop to get accustomed to them.


Advice: once the clutch is installed, get under the dash and remove the extra play by adjusting the stopper.

Answers to your questions:
1) how harsh would this clutch bite in comparison to a) stock, b) the single plate. 309d c) the twin plate metal equivalent
Pedal feel will be stiffer than stock but the cover for the carbon setups have ben engineered with a softer pedal feel.

2) if u need to modify anything to fit the clutch
With the metal plate twins you have to grind a little off of the bolts on the cover so tey do not dig into the transmission - Honda specific issue

3) if this will wear significantly quickly?
No and yes. Unless you ride the hell outta the clutch everytime you take off or drive around with the clutch pressed in this setup will last much much mych longer than a stock or single setup

Is this setup OVERKILL for your intended hp range? Hell double nought nought yes but since you are getting it for cheap it really doesn't matter. It will leave you lots of room to grow.


Dead stop takeoffs:
(1)learn the release point
(2)give some gas right before the release point ( I usally tap the gas before release and then give more gas after I feel the clutch engage)
(3)practice an open lot so you do not kill anybody
you will ease out without barking the tires every time!!

As far as the leg is concerned - Anybody who complains about the heavy pedal feel is a wimp because 5'5" 110lb ex-gf drove the Teg with the ridiculous steel cover OS Super Single without any problems. Other than myself she is the only person who drove away from a deadstop on the first attempt without stallling the motor she can drives it through bumper to bumper traffic with no problems.

What's my point? If you want a stock feeling clutch..... get a stock clutch. If you want a high performance clutch that will hold power and last long you better be prepared to strengthen that twig that is supposed to be your leg. That mumbo jumbo was not aimed at anybody in particular

Oh yeah, me and Chris (DC5RK20A) mainly chill at zeroyon.com because we have lots of local friends on that message board.


Modified by Dee at 9:56 AM 6/16/2006

 

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What's my point? If you want a stock feeling clutch..... get a stock clutch. If you want a high performance clutch that will hold power and last long you better be prepared to strengthen that twig that is supposed to be your leg. That mumbo jumbo was not aimed at anybody in particular
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OOOooooOOooo...it's a fight now..... rubbing my twig of a leg.....Pirate stump and all.....



Hey TofuR....told you it sux..... so who's the guy selling it..ahem cough cough.....

 

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(1)learn the release point
(2)give some gas right before the release point ( I usally tap the gas before release and then give more gas after I feel the clutch engage)
(3)practice an open lot so you do not kill anybody
you will ease out without barking the tires every time!!
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Ah yes, fun times!

 

awesome response Dee!!
thanks!

Raging angel : hahaha. .give it up already..
the shipping from sydney to wherever you live will be a killer anyway =P

 

RagingAngel is in Hong Kong right now, so shipping cost won't be too much of a problem, as long as he's willing to hand carry it back to Canada.

 

hahahaha.. I'm glad I could amuse you guys!!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tofuR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">awesome response Dee!!
thanks!

Raging angel : hahaha. .give it up already..
the shipping from sydney to wherever you live will be a killer anyway =P </TD></TR></TABLE>

So when is the clutch going in? We're waiting for a real deal review

I have friends in Sydney too and they fly frequently between Hong Kong enough to negate these costs..... *hint hint...nudge nudge....*

 

LoL
im actually coming to the USA in about 3 months .. for business..

i also frequent hk =P

maybe i can bring the clutch back for u ?
not .. =P