Installed my motor last weekend and I have to admit that I'm extremely let down by the performance. it feel about as fast as my f22a6 with delta cam, i/h/e and mrx ecu. I'm thinking that it's a timing issue. I tried setting the timing last night but could not see the mark at all on the flywheel. I'm not throwing any codes and I've tried running my p13 ecu and my chipped p06. Neither make a difference. The motor is super clean on the inside and the injectors are clean. Any suggestions as to what it might be that's making this motor feel sluggish?

Any suggestions would help.

The compression test before I put the motor is was fine accross the board but I will still check it again.

Also, when I was putting in thr motor, the h22 crank pulley looked shady so we stuck my f22 one on. Upon doing a search, I found that the f22 is a little bigger but people have swapped them on before. My alternator belt is tight but I don't think that would affect the performance at all.

The mods for the h22 are Type s cams and pistons, mugen header, and a huge nissan throttlebody that's portmatched to an h22 manifold.

 

Buddy i don't think your timing could be all that far of to make a differance anyway. So your timing is probably fine.

One of the main things on a swap is to check and make sure all of your grounds are tight and you don't have any open vaccum hoses. if you see one laying out and can't figure out where it goes stop it up with something. any open vaccum hose used or not is a vaccum leak and that will cause problems.

check around your pretty throttle body to. with the car idling spray some starting fluid around it and the head in general and see if the motor starts to race a little bit. If it does you have a leak fix it and see if that was your problem.

Look over your wiring real good to you could have something unplugged or wired backwards. I doubt that though if that were the case you would have a cel usaully.

one last thing do a leak down test it may need a head gasket.

oh and do you have vtec hooked up?

 

your other post says you are throwing two codes, vtec and knock. FIX THOSE and get back to us.

 

When I started it up, I had 2 codes I have since wired vtec and knock and now no codes. We had to use the f22 crank pulley and because of that, the alternator belt was too tight. I loosened it up a little and something is still a little screwey with the alternator. When I turn on my headlights or turn signals or power windows, my idle goes down. I think I might of burned up the alternator. Any suggestions on what I should do will be greatly appreciated.

I know the f22 crank pulley is slightly bigger. One time I started te motor and the alternator started smoking. I turn it off immediatley and when I started again after inspecting it, nothing happened. could the performance of the motor have to do with the alternator?

 

the alternator wont affect the motor performance, until your car shuts off

just outta curiousity, are you positive you have type s camshafts? were they measured?
im gonna say i was a little disappointed with my h22 swap as far as performance...maybe you just expecting too much?

 

no, my cams weren't measured but it a 200bhp motor should feel a little faster than a 140hp motor. The headgasket is not blown because I don't have coolant in my oil or oil in my coolant. I believe it is a combination of the huge throttle body and a timing issue.

 

portmatched Intake Manifold to a nissan 95mm TB. This right here is your problem. That TB is WAY to big for that car. There is no way that motor is going to run right with that much air coming in. Put the Stock TB back on and I bet that you'll notice a pretty big difference. Hell the S2000 only comes with a 70mm.

 

double check cam timing then check ignition timing.

 

my timing belt broke and it doesn't run right now. It jumped time but I'm pretty sure I didn't bend any valves because It broke at idle. I don't have the time to mess with it yet because I'm getting married on Saturday. I'll keep everyone updated.

 

I've thought about doing this swap as-well, just to have a H series. But I've heard all round it's not that big of a gain.

I've even taken on '00 Lude H22-AT in my '92 Accord F22-AT. Race was dead even. I even pulled better off the line.

Good luck find the problem area. I'll be checking back for your outcome.

 

im pretty sure they dont even make automatic prelude's, at least the 5th gens and if they are they're triptronitc

 

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01 lude interior...


I've heard the term triptronic before, but don't know AT info. To me this just looks like a AT.

 

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still automatic and dog slow compared to a 5spd

 

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I've even taken on '00 Lude H22-AT in my '92 Accord F22-AT. Race was dead even. I even pulled better off the line.

Good luck find the problem area. I'll be checking back for your outcome.</TD></TR></TABLE>


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good luck with the H i hope you figure out whats wrong cause that blows

 

Yo what your compression I have a 5th gen JDM H22 accord and I feel a dramatic difference in performance. I have an exhaust leak and a smashed down pipe and my car idles a tad high and she still moves. Seem like something is up with your motor. I just did a rebuild on my motor and Im getting 250 for all 4 cylinders.

 

before I bought the motor, the guy did a compression test and it read 275 on each cylinder. This leads me to believe that the motor has a higher compression ratio. The oil pan has gasket sealer around it which also leads me to believe that there are pistons in it.

 

I hope there are pistons in it, otherwise therein lies your problem.

 

well I hate to be the 1 to say this...you should have boosted your F........now your like me...an H22 and nowhere to go!!!(really fast) lol bang for buck wiese a boosted F would have been so much better.....

 

FYI......i have 99 5spd 4dr accord with full sound system and i/h/e and a H22 tranny on the F23 engine. a slow roll with a 97-up ludes same speed same gear with the same mods.......equals me head-to-head by the end of 3rd gear. eventually they'll pull on me, but that aint gonna happen till i run out of gearing. before RSX's type-S would run the **** out of me i surprise the **** out of them now.....they barely leave me. the F-series engines put out good torque down low and having the H22 tranny, every shift whatever gear i'm in, it's instantly back in the powerband.

DOHC's are over rated :D

besides all that, i have even test drove a stock 97 lude, i too wasn't impressed either, it didn't feel much faster then my accord. the H22 tranny puts us on level ground when comparing the F and H series engines

 

I beat 97 up ludes with my f22 w/ i/h/e/delta 272 cam and chipped p05. My car was pretty quick already but a 60 hp gain should have made a difference. I've found that my timing was off.

 

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cough excuse me??? 60 hp gain??? / i/h/e/delta 272 cam and chipped p05 I thinkist notist 20? sure 60??? sure pal

 

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I could believe a 50 or so HP increase with the cam IHE and chipped ecu...Sounds about right.</TD></TR></TABLE>

No. I/H/E, you will be lucky to get 20 HP to the wheels. This is an F22 we're talking about here. Bolt on mods don't do as much as they do for a B.

Not a snowballs chance in hell you can make 60 HP off IHE and a chip.

 

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besides all that, i have even test drove a stock 97 lude, i too wasn't impressed either, it didn't feel much faster then my accord. the H22 tranny puts us on level ground when comparing the F and H series engines
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How can you compare a motor that puts out 190 HP vs. a motor that puts out 140 HP? Put all the **** you have on your car onto a Prelude and he'll wipe the floor with you. You're just comparing apples to oranges in this case.

You say that you're on an even playing field with the H22 tranny...Whats the difference? You're still at a huge HP dissadvantage and I'm pretty sure you're giving up weight to a Prelude. No offense, but did the guy in the Prelude know he was racing you?

 

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I only get 5 popsts a day so i will n9ot be engaging in a pissing match, anyway, my f puts down 260 whp/ 270 tq on a 10 ppsi turbo setup.....that unbelievable too???? I mean it is JUST an f.
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I'm not disputing that the F is not a good engine, I like the F-series just as much as the H.

But now you're bringing a turbo vehicle into the equation. So your car makes 260/270 @ 10 PSI, great, good for you. What relevance does that have to an N/A setup? None, and you should know that.

Yes it is unbelieveable. Honestly, I have intake, Skunk2 IM and TB. Exhaust is custom, but pretty much stock and the JDM header is one of the best headers to get other than something liek a 1200$ Greddy. JDM H22 is rated at 200 HP, I'll be lucky if I'm making 180 WHP.

There's NO way you can possibly believe that putting I/H/E and a chip on a F will give you around 190-195 WHP. Either you'd be sacrificing alot by adjusting that cam liek crazy, or it's not true. Get me a dyno if you think so. I would LOVE to see those numbers and be proven wrong.


Modified by khunt0012 at 4:21 PM 6/20/2006

 

wow, we got a he thinks he knows it all.

dud if you ever looked, the F puts out more torque down low compared to a H, hence the fact that he wasn't able to run away.

if we both were in the same gear/ same speed, all you have to do is floor it, it doesn't take much more skill then that knuckle head. and if he didn't leave me and we stayed side-by-side, would you say that thats way faster?

ummmmm NO. i ended up shifting before the H, but yet he gained no ground......soo whatever!

its not all about HP and super high red-lines. DUH!

seriously, how many F23's do u know have a H22 tranny? soo is this hear say or from ur own experience. THIS IS FROM MY OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE!