WHP for auto and standard ?
Anyone know the whp for auto and standard preludes?

Interested in specs for the h23 and h22.

I've read somewhere that the auto losses about 30 hp? But this could be different from tranny to tranny.

Thanks
-Henry


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^well for h22s

i've seen some losses near ~60hp. but its gonna depend on the engine/tranny/dyno

why do you need to know anyways?

 

he probably wants to know why his automatic prelude is slow as hell

 

^^ Lol, that's cruel..

But eh, you're not going to find many Dyno's with Auto Preludes... Most people with an Auto for one, don't do that much preformance (Generalized Guess here, sorry if I'm wrong), and second, most with an auto aren't going to waste the money on Dyno time.. My .02˘ though..

 

Found a dyno: 2001 prelude h22 auto: 138whp

Stick= 170ish whp

Therefore the drivetrain loss would be about 30 hp more than the stick.

I'm going to shoot my prelude for 160 whp and then give it to my sis and buy a stick lol

 

Duh.. Why spend money to give your auto more horse and then give it to your sister?? I know my sister wouldn't need any more horse in her car than stock.. (Whenever she starts to drive.. **Chills**) And I wouldn't give her a VTec model either.. More like a '92 S Model.. lol

Just save the money from the auto and use it on one you get with a stick..

Or do a auto to manuel swap.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by chu77 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I've read somewhere that the auto losses about 30 hp? </TD></TR></TABLE>
50+

 

What's with people thinking that auto ludes are dogs? Sure they don't have great pull off the line but they pull great from a roll.....Who really buys an auto if they plan on being able to get a good launch anyway?

 

manual 8-10% auto 12-16%

reason for varying figure,&gt; depends on conditon of bearings, clutches and shift solenoids in the auto, and clutch and bearings in the manual

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sharkcohen &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">50+</TD></TR></TABLE>

Was that yours? Strong dyno for an auto. I've seen MT ludes start in the mid 150s...

 

Yup, that's mine, bone stock.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by spirctsae &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What's with people thinking that auto ludes are dogs? Sure they don't have great pull off the line but they pull great from a roll.....Who really buys an auto if they plan on being able to get a good launch anyway?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Dude no offense but what kinda non-sense is this? Your talking about a 20+ hp difference from auto to manual. Even though that 20hp is peak hp there is still a big difference throughout the power curve too man, a stick has a A LOT more area under the curve when compared to a auto. There definitely is a huge difference. Plus the auto trannys are weak and crap out a lot sooner than manuals.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 94Vtecluder &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Dude no offense but what kinda non-sense is this? Your talking about a 20+ hp difference from auto to manual. Even though that 20hp is peak hp there is still a big difference throughout the power curve too man, a stick has a A LOT more area under the curve when compared to a auto. There definitely is a huge difference. Plus the auto trannys are weak and crap out a lot sooner than manuals. </TD></TR></TABLE>

i'll mention again that they are weak and shitty. When i had my old auto 98, i had to get the tranny rebuilt TWICE.

 

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Dude no offense but what kinda non-sense is this? Your talking about a 20+ hp difference from auto to manual. Even though that 20hp is peak hp there is still a big difference throughout the power curve too man, a stick has a A LOT more area under the curve when compared to a auto. There definitely is a huge difference. Plus the auto trannys are weak and crap out a lot sooner than manuals. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I didn't say the stick didn't have an advantage but the auto isn't a complete pos like everyone makes it out to be. Like I said the car doesn't have great off the line accel but it can hold it's own from a roll. It's a known fact that the ss is a weak tranny but who doesn't know that already?? Do you not see the dyno graph above of a stock auto? I want you to look online and see if you can find any auto tranny dyno graphs. You wont find hardly any. That's because not many have been dynoed so how can you say 20+hp....you can't because you have NO proof of that. In fact in this thread alone their is proof that some autos put down just as much power as manuals. Gearing is more of the problem imo.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by spirctsae &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I didn't say the stick didn't have an advantage but the auto isn't a complete pos like everyone makes it out to be. Like I said the car doesn't have great off the line accel but it can hold it's own from a roll. It's a known fact that the ss is a weak tranny but who doesn't know that already?? Do you not see the dyno graph above of a stock auto? I want you to look online and see if you can find any auto tranny dyno graphs. You wont find hardly any. That's because not many have been dynoed so how can you say 20+hp....you can't because you have NO proof of that. In fact in this thread alone their is proof that some autos put down just as much power as manuals. Gearing is more of the problem imo.</TD></TR></TABLE>

In the very least a manual USDM h22 is looking at 160-165ish whp bone stock. Now if your talking about a stock JDM H22 your talking about even more. With equal modifications the difference between the two will get bigger. In other words you also have to mod a auto harder. This is because drivetrain loss is the enemy with this auto there is a 20% loss, a manual has only around 15-17%. That's a big difference the bigger you go.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 94Vtecluder &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

In the very least a manual USDM h22 is looking at 160-165ish whp bone stock. Now if your talking about a stock JDM H22 your talking about even more. With equal modifications the difference between the two will get bigger. In other words you also have to mod a auto harder. This is because drivetrain loss is the enemy with this auto there is a 20% loss, a manual has only around 15-17%. That's a big difference the bigger you go.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I agree 100%, I wasn't here to say that auto is as good or better than a manual because it will never be (unless you tend to sit in traffic most of the day). I'm just saying that the automatic ludes really get trashed a lot here and they really aren't as slow as everyone makes them out to be (except from a roll they aren't the greatest just like every other auto you can't clutch drop).

 

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I agree 100%, I wasn't here to say that auto is as good or better than a manual because it will never be (unless you tend to sit in traffic most of the day). I'm just saying that the automatic ludes really get trashed a lot here and they really aren't as slow as everyone makes them out to be (except from a roll they aren't the greatest just like every other auto you can't clutch drop). </TD></TR></TABLE>

i'll glady race any auto prelude with the same mods as me from any speed....

until 120mph of course, need to get a different ecu jdm ftl on speed governers

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by spirctsae &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I agree 100%, I wasn't here to say that auto is as good or better than a manual because it will never be (unless you tend to sit in traffic most of the day). I'm just saying that the automatic ludes really get trashed a lot here and they really aren't as slow as everyone makes them out to be (except from a roll they aren't the greatest just like every other auto you can't clutch drop). </TD></TR></TABLE>

I agree. I've heard every dis in the book about my tranny... but that's all it is a tranny that can be swapped out... so then what? That's why I'll have my tranny swap done by the end of this year. Mine is starting to act differently and make a few noises at over 100k on the odometer.
I won't be going down the costly rebuild/replacement road when it comes to the SS transmission. It's just better the swap over to the reliable 5spd for the long run and not to mention the perforamnce aspect... I won't be held back anymore.

Just for shxts and giggles here's the dyno I had done.
It was done in third gear and I was throwing a CEL (misfire in all cylinders).




Modified by Option2BB6 at 1:16 PM 6/11/2006

 

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i'll glady race any auto prelude with the same mods as me from any speed....
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You aren't listening to what I'm saying. As I said before...
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by spirctsae &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I wasn't here to say that auto is as good or better than a manual because it will never be (unless you tend to sit in traffic most of the day). I'm just saying that the automatic ludes really get trashed a lot here and they really aren't as slow as everyone makes them out to be</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Option2BB6 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Just for shxts and giggles here's the dyno I had done.
It was done in third gear and I was throwing a CEL (misfire in all cylinders).




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That run was done with your ss right? What brand intake/exhaust/header were you running? A little more info on your setup if you could.

 

Just to throw my two cents in... I have an auto lude with over 110K with no tranny problems. Sure it is no beast, but is the 5sp Prelude a beast? It still has enough passing power on the highway for my needs. I haven't done any performance mods and really don't plan on doing any, because that's not my thing (and like someone else in the thread said, if someone really cared about performance they would probably never buy an auto... and probably they (those who do performance mods) would want to race their car, road courses, etc. in which case a 5sp is probably mandatory in most cases). But that doesn't mean the car isn't any fun to drive, to me it is a fun car that also serves as reliable transportation to and from work. Anyhow, just wanted to share my thoughts on the auto prelude since they do normally get trashed here as being worthless.

 

I don't think the failure rate on the SS tranny is nearly as high as the Internet has made it out to be

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sharkcohen &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't think the failure rate on the SS tranny is nearly as high as the Internet has made it out to be </TD></TR></TABLE>

experience of it sure makes it believable tho

 

Fact of the matter is that everyone who has a good experience with the ss tranny wont say anything but the people who've had a bad experience will always speak up. It's the samething that happens in the media and it's also why most employees hate customer comment cards (people rarely fill them out from good service but ALWAYS fill them out for bad).

Then you have people that "hear" things on the net and even if they've never owned an ss they **** on it every chance they get and act as if they speak from personal experience.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by spirctsae &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
That run was done with your ss right? What brand intake/exhaust/header were you running? A little more info on your setup if you could.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes I have an SS that I am currently waiting to swap over to 5spd when I acquire all parts needed. Note the temperature of the ambient air and I had also just driven in from Dallas so the car was hot and so was the air... maybe I could have gained 2hp if that wasn't so? I dunno.
I listed on the dyno the major mods that really affect performance.

Here is the complete list of mods that are on the car right now, not really much:
Engine and Drivetrain
JDM Type-S valvecover
Mugen low temp thermostat
Mugen low temp fan switch
DENSO Iridium spark plugs
MSD 8.5mm SuperConductor spark plug wires
Cold air intake with K&N filter
SUN S-Type HyperGround grounding system
Random Technology high-flow catalytic converter
Apex’i N1 catback exhaust
DC Sports ceramic header

Suspension and Braking
Neuspeed front strut tower bar
Eibach Pro-kit
Project-Mu brake pads
PowerSlot brake rotors

Exterior
Custom tri-stage gold paint
JDM foglamps
JDM sidemarkers
SEIBON carbon fiber hood
Carbon fiber eyelids
Wings West RS sideskirts
Wings West RS rear valance
Greddy/Trust Gracer front lip
5Zigen of Japan FN01R-C 17″ wheels (custom color)
KUMHO Ecsta ASX rubber
Kyokugen lightweight lugnuts
Raybrig amber LED bulbs in parking lights
Raybrig amber LED bulbs in bumper lights
Raybrig H1 headlight bulbs

Interior
JDM road flare
JDM cup holder center console
BroadWay mirror
Blitz PowerMeter iD
Pilot A/F ratio meter
Autometer pod with CF oil pressure and water temp gauges
Carbon fiber dash trim
Carbon fiber shiftknob

ICE
Pioneer OrganicDisplay CD/MP3/WMA/Sat-radio receiver
RockfordFosgate 1000w amp
RockfordFosgate 12″ sub in bandpass