Hello,

I've got this problem. That my engine is misfiring so badly that it shoots flames out my throttlebody.

It does ignite sometimes and run the engine for like 3-5 seconds. Uneven though!.

The timing is correct. Timing belt has been mounted three times just to be sure. Its tight and just perfect. The distributor is brand new and everything is hooked up right.

Its a B16A1 engine.

The codes that its throwing are

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Any suggestions?

Update :

Firing order are

34
12 Is this correct?

I tried the 180degree wrong timing theory. With little success.

While the engine was set to "1", piston 1 was on top and the crankwheel and cams were dead on with timing.




Modified by RaCk at 4:21 PM 6/13/2006

 

4- CKP - crank position sensor

21- VTEC spool solenoid valve

 

yeah, i noticed.

But why does it misfire on this level?

 

Are your plug wires in the correct spots??

 

yeah,

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12


Im wondering if it may be something with the wiring on the large distributor plug.



whats on the 8'th pin?

 

Is your timing out 180 degrees??

 

Use a known working dizzy. CKP are a pain in the ***. Built into the Dizzy on a OBD0 car.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fastoffslow &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Is your timing out 180 degrees??</TD></TR></TABLE>

is that possible at all?

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ludesrv &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Use a known working dizzy. CKP are a pain in the ***. Built into the Dizzy on a OBD0 car.</TD></TR></TABLE>

know. But im using the Ed9 wiring and trying to convert the plugs i need. This plug is the only one im having problems with.

 

looks like a wiring problem.

run the two wires direct from the ecu to the dizzy. the CKP sensor check the manual will say what wire is power and ground. then look at the plug and wire it correctly

the ckp sensor will cause your car to rev limit to around 3500 rpms. fix the ckp and your set.

the vtec code make sure its wired up correctly.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bossman032 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">looks like a wiring problem.

run the two wires direct from the ecu to the dizzy. the CKP sensor check the manual will say what wire is power and ground. then look at the plug and wire it correctly

the ckp sensor will cause your car to rev limit to around 3500 rpms. fix the ckp and your set.

the vtec code make sure its wired up correctly. </TD></TR></TABLE>

If it revved at all i would be happy. But the car ignites sometimes like the timing is off by atleast 15-20 teeth. And it shoots flames from the induction manifoil. . Im trying to make a video of what happens. Maybe that will give some clues.


Modified by RaCk at 5:04 PM 6/9/2006

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RaCk &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeah,

34
12


Im wondering if it may be something with the wiring on the large distributor plug.



whats on the 8'th pin? </TD></TR></TABLE>
wires should be:
2 - blue/yellow
3 - orange
4 - orange/blue
5 - blue/green
6 - small white
7 - white/blue
8 - fat white

 

Really?

Without naming, i was told the wiring diagram on the picture is the one i need to connect the B16A1 distributor up against my D16A9 wiring?!

I will try your combination jlicrx. Thanks.

 

your getting fire in the manifold? have you checked your timing? quick way slowly drop a long extention(1/4) into cyl 1, and crank with hand, until cam gear is TDC, check and see if the extension is all the way up

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nelsmar &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">your getting fire in the manifold? have you checked your timing? quick way slowly drop a long extention(1/4) into cyl 1, and crank with hand, until cam gear is TDC, check and see if the extension is all the way up</TD></TR></TABLE>


will do. Sounds like a good idea. Actually.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nelsmar &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">your getting fire in the manifold? have you checked your timing? quick way slowly drop a long extention(1/4) into cyl 1, and crank with hand, until cam gear is TDC, check and see if the extension is all the way up</TD></TR></TABLE>

It does sound like its a problem with the timing. Do what this guy said an tell us what happens. Also...you HAVE to make sure that the rotor in the dizzy is pointed at the #1 spark plug wire when the first cyl is at tdc. If not then your timing will be 180deg off. This is something thats overlooked alot of times when putting on a timing belt.

 

can anyone confirm the wiring? That the one i've already wired up is wrong? I need a confirmation on jlicrx's suggestion.

 

*bump#1*

 

testet the theory on the 1 sylinder and the 180degree wrong timing today.

While the camgears and the wheel underneath was also lined up.

Aaaaaaaaaand the piston was on top.

So that excludes that theory.
Im holding a finger on electrical problem on the alternator.

Also checked the brand new plugs. They are full of sot and almost destroyed.

 

"bump#2"

 

did u try rewiring that plug yet?

 

Plug rewired.

Engine started after some runs on the starter. After running it hot and checking gauges i shutted it down to mount exhaust and do other stuff that would make it road ready.

It ran on a really "pre ignition". And ran uneven. But it ran!

Today, with "trial registration" the car refuses to start again. It doesnt deliver spark to the plugs anymore from the distributor. Not at all. Other distributors have also been tried out. no difference.


Uploading movie clip from last time it ran. My cat actually climbed two meters up one of the walls when the car fired. :D


Modified by RaCk at 11:21 PM 6/16/2006


Modified by RaCk at 11:23 PM 6/16/2006

 

movieclip

sorry bout the size.

http://www.we-todd-did-racing....5NTQx