I am wanting to get a B16 really bad but I have some questions.

I have a 1989 Civic DX Hatch, automatic.

What would you recommend:

b16 with LSD and a 5spd swap?

Boosted ZC or whatever the other SOHC VTEC motor is?

If I went with the B16 I know there will be some conversion work needed like with motor mounts and such, but the ZC and the D16 (i think that is what it is) both fit right in? Am I wrong?

Any suggestions, or info on what upgrades I would need to boost a ZC or D16, what power I am looking at and such with different combinations would be greatly appreciated.

And I know some of you might say to save up, and boost the B16, but I don't really wanna have to put TOO much into it, I want it to be fast, but I am sure either of those options would be sufficient, at least for now. I am not wanting to pour too much money into the motor and such.


Suggestions welcome! THANKS!




Modified by square_1 at 9:15 PM 6/6/2006


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I changed my mind.

Now I am wondering, in the long run, should I swap a D15B SOHC VTEC and save up to boost that, or should I swap in a DOHC ZC and save up to boost that.

They both seem to be around the same price.

I have searched like crazy and my findings show that stock a lot more people enjoy the DOHC ZC cause of the torque and such, but mine wouldn't always stay stock, and so this is an area that isn't covered in these searches.

Also my 89 DX Hatch is an automatic so I would eventually have to swap trannys. Which of these motors means less work in terms of everything?

It seems that the D15 swaps pretty much right in, with some ECU changes, but I thought that I read that the ZC needs mount mods, shift linkage, etc, etc...

I don't really wanna deal with that. So let me know!!!

THANKS!




Modified by square_1 at 1:19 PM 6/8/2006

 

With the same $$$ for a B16 swap, a properly built ZC with a turbo will spank the stock B16.

 

you can buy a zc motor for around 400 bucks complete...b16 cost up toward 2g's and you still have mounts and everything else to hook up....so i'd say get a zc boost it and do a 5speed swap you can do all that and for less then 2g's

 

And so it would be pretty fast? What internal mods would be safe to do to run a little up there on the boost? What PSI is probably the safest for the stock motor? Would I need to upgrade the fuel injectors and all that stuff too? Like I said, any info would be rad, or any suggestions on the best possible setup.

Would it be best to get teh ZC and boost that over the D15B SOHC VTEC?

The D15B on hmotorsonline comes with a tranny for $150 extra? is that a good tranny? (i dunno what one it is)

Thanks a ton!!!

 

Anyone?

 

I gotta go, check this in the morning.. Please leave some info.

 

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when it comes to how much psi to run its all about the tuning....u can run anywhere from 7-12 psi on stock internals as long as the tuning is perfect....

 

The biggest obstacle before even getting to the motor would be changing from auto. to 5 spd. and DPFI to MPFI.
I'd also keep the SOHC, install it N/A stock to make sure everything is 100 % correct, then turbo it.

 

boosted ZC

 

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Well with this, I would buy the ZC and then install it, and run it while I save up for the turbo stuff.

If I went with the B16, I would have to just wait longer and install it all way later.

But with the ZC or D15B I could get them in my car and running sometime soon this summer (hopefully) and drive those around, so I would still have something.

And then when saving up for the turbo kit I could just save up for any other engine mods I wanna do, then when I do the turbo install I could just add in those other things.

 

well the easiest, cheaper, quickest route would be to just swap in a d-series motor right now you can still use your auto tranny but b4 you go turboing i'll do a 5spd swap...then proceed to piecing together a turbo kit or by a kit...

 

i put a zc first. but just didnt sit right with me so i sprang for the b16 ive been happy....but i got empty poskets...but plenty of hope.

 

Wait, so the SOHC VTEC D15B will just fit right in with my auto tranny and everything right now? All I would have to do for that is switch to MPFI? If so, I would even think about buying that, putting it in, and then while using that motor saving up and getting a ZC, building the ZC up and then turboing it, all while out of the car, and then swapping in a turbo, built ZC all at once. It would cost a little more having to buy that whole other engine, but it would be nice to have the D15 to give me a little more power for daily driving, and the reliability of a newer engine for the time while i am saving up for the built turbo'd ZC.

Thanks!

 

d-series engines and d-series trannys are all compatiable

 

Sweet, so I am going to see about just getting the SOHC VTEC D15B and running that while saving up the big bucks for a turbo'd ZC. I really like that idea.

So is the ECU all that I would need to change then? It shows that the SOHC VTEC D15B can be purchased with a 5spd Hydro tranny.

Would this tranny work with the ZC?

Because then I could just do the tranny swap now and then mate that to the ZC when all is said and done.

This will be a long project before I get the turbo'd ZC, but that D15B should be easily done this summer.

 

as long as its a d-series tranny it will work....and w/ the ecu you will need to either get a chipped ecu or get the vtec wiring harness to run vtec

 

Um, on Honda Motors Online it says you can buy an ECU with the motor for like 100 bucks... Is that all I need?

 

heh i was in the same boat and went b16

 

Anyone else? As much info about the D15B SOHC VTEC and the ZC would be nice. I will try searchign again.

 

or u can do what i did for a temporary reliable engine. get a d16y8 motor and the ecu along with it and have vtec and a low milage engine for sure. it cost me $620 for both the engine and the ecu. i put it in my self saving like $300 bucks the guy wanted to install it as well. as far as the vtec wiring goes. get a good manual for the car or just search here in ht. there is walk throughs for the vtec wiring. and really its not that hard at all. just take ur time.

this pic i took when i first put in in. replaced oil spark plug wires ect and now it looks clean. btw is an old pic so dont comment on the wires.lol

 

Is it pretty quick? Does it fit right in without little mods?

 

dohc zc has about 20 more pounds of torque then the b16a, if you want torque go with zc, if you want hp go with b16a

 

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this pic i took when i first put in in. replaced oil spark plug wires ect and now it looks clean. btw is an old pic so dont comment on the wires.lol
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this motor came of a civic 2000. it feels fast since its healthy and has hardly any miles on it. but is more faster than the original one because this d16 puts 127 hp the the crank SAE. and the original dx is only 92.lol. but ya it will bolt right up with ur tranny, mounts and everything as long as u have all the D mounts on ur car. thats what i like about all the d series motors. there all compatible with each other. the only thing is to keep ur same manifold to avoid extencive wire modifications. once u get vtec enabled on ur car ur really gonna feel the difference even its a d series motor. but this vtec only actuates on the intake valves unlike the b series motors witch have 2 cams and vtec can actuate in both exhoust and intake giving u more power eventualy. this is a great choise if u want this as a daily driver.

 

my opinion, seeing as im a D series guy, is rebuild your current d series, slap on vtec head, add internals, and turbo it. its def cheaper, but you wont get as much horse as you would a b series. although, i have a friend with a turbod Y8 that runs high 11's. which isnt bad for a d series. its all a matter of opinion and how much $ you got.