I have an si, and i did a search on installing stock DA sway bars. but im confused, would it be beneficial for me to install the front sway bar and leave my back sway bar alone. or would it be more benefecial to just swap both? since the front sway bar is 22mm on the DA's. i dont auto cross but more for weekend canyon runs and daily driving.

any info would be greatly appreciated

 

it wont benefit you at all to use any DA swaybar.

fronts are bigger, rears are smaller.

 

but what if i get ST sway bars whats the difference? since the da bars are a little bit skinnier? wouldnt it be some what of an upgrade on handling?

 

Most of us EF (or past owners of STS EF cars) have run a CRX HF front sway bar and a Suspensions Techniques Rear sway bar. Works wonders on the handling of the car.

 

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So what he's saying is, don't use the DA front bar... The HF bar has LESS rate than the stock Si. You need more bar rate in the rear, not the front.

Progress makes a good rear bar for that car, also. (Shoot me an email if you're interested in some used street suspension for it. I need to clean out my garage...)

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SloA$$ DA &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> i dont auto cross but more for weekend canyon runs and daily driving.

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Then what's the point of a swaybar upgrade? A larger front will make the car rollover less, perhaps giving you what you are searching for.

If you're not doing any kind of event that times, then having a tail-happy car in the street is not the best situation.

 

While I agree with you in theory, you sound to me like someone who has never driven an EF civic with a rear bar.

We aren't talking about the difference between a normal handling car and a "tail-happy" car. We are talking about a stock car with a pretty heavy under-steer and one that is more neutral with the ability to rotate. An inattentive driver would still get themselves into more trouble with a true tail wagger (Viper, Corvette, M3, etc.) than a Civic with a rear bar.

I had a couple of Ford SVT suspension engineers VERY impressed with my (then stock) Civic with only Progress street springs, Tokico Illuminas and a Progress rear bar. I let them drive it at Streets of Willow during the press into for the SVT focus...

 

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If it's just for this, don't bother upgrading it. It is not worth it.
While I agree with John, I must insist that any person wanting to upgrade the car to make it more drivable for the canyon has no business upgrading the car in any manner that will make it more dangerous in the hands of a newb.

To answer your question though, I believe you should get yourself to a track day. Use the Stock Front bar, and the ST rear bar and you will be set. That is plenty of rotation for someone new to the high performance driving world.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by thawley &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">While I agree with you in theory, you sound to me like someone who has never driven an EF civic with a rear bar.

We aren't talking about the difference between a normal handling car and a "tail-happy" car. We are talking about a stock car with a pretty heavy under-steer and one that is more neutral with the ability to rotate. An inattentive driver would still get themselves into more trouble with a true tail wagger (Viper, Corvette, M3, etc.) than a Civic with a rear bar.

I had a couple of Ford SVT suspension engineers VERY impressed with my (then stock) Civic with only Progress street springs, Tokico Illuminas and a Progress rear bar. I let them drive it at Streets of Willow during the press into for the SVT focus...</TD></TR></TABLE>

I own an EF and have went through every swaybar iteration you can imagine.

But my point remains, if you are upgrading for street driving only, then a large rear swaybar is an accident waiting to happen in inexperienced hands.

If you are 'canyon running', then understeer is the safest situation--hands down. And a larger front sway will take out roll while not hurting rotation that much.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Todd00 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you are 'canyon running', then oversteer is the safest situation--hands down. And a larger front sway will take out roll while not hurting rotation that much.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I think you mean UNDERsteer would be safest...

 

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I think you mean UNDERsteer would be safest...</TD></TR></TABLE>

Oops, typo. Yes, understeer is what I meant, but if you are running canyons then let Darwin take over Maybe my subconscious was typing for me

 

ST rear sway bar for autox


Canyon carving Start auto-xing

 

thanks for the input guys..... so to clarify, i shouldnt get the sway bar for the car because of the fact that i will be understeering more? and upgrade my sway bar in the back to a st or progress?

 

Your reading comprehension needs work. Big rear bars can make the car loose to the point that the car will spin out down your favorite canyon carving raceway and into a nearby orphanage. You don't need a big rear bar for any kind of driving you'd do on the street.

 

I missed that part about him canyon carving.

I'll have to agree with everyone. A tail happy car is not safe NOR fun for your average daily driver/canyon carver. Understeer is safer even whatever you hear from your friends it's not a smart thing to do. It's easier for the average and yourself driver to recover from understeer than oversteer.

 

I agree, My wife drives the car everyday now
since her's got totalled and I set the (adjustable)
suspension hard in front and soft in the rear,
wich is the total opposite of what I set it at when
we're auto-xing the car.... It is safer and more
confortable like this....
did I mention the car still has the stock sways...?
I am of course looking for a ST rear sway bar
wich is IMHO one of the most important/significant
mods you can do to a car YOU PLAN TO RACE
I wouldn't bother spending the money just for
everyday use...
my $.2
marco.

 

Suspension techniques makes a 19mm for the DA. its not 22mm, but should fit like stock.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...%3AIT

sorry for anyone already eyeing this auction. the bidding went past my interest point, and it hasnt even broken reserve yet.

 

I have the ST rear bar and OE front bar on a 91 Si and have driven with this combo for several yrs. With several auto-x's and 1 track day under my belt I wouldnt consider myself a total novice driver. I say go for it with the big rear bar and take it to the track where you can learn the limits in a safe environment. My .02