Koni Yellows for type r's
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Re: Koni Yellows for type r's (jetydosa)
http://hondamarketplace.com/zerothread?id=1093669 
i think he's around 450-500 a set....but don't quote me on that
i think he's around 450-500 a set....but don't quote me on that
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dc2.itr »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i personally dont think they are worth it.. i have them.. ride like poo... well not that bad but not as good as i expected.. paid a crap load and my friends AGX's on his car ride way better..</TD></TR></TABLE>
?????? What spring rates? Konis are a far superior shock to the KYBs.
?????? What spring rates? Konis are a far superior shock to the KYBs.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dc2.itr »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i personally dont think they are worth it.. i have them.. ride like poo... well not that bad but not as good as i expected.. paid a crap load and my friends AGX's on his car ride way better..</TD></TR></TABLE>
I use Koni Yellows with stock springs, and I think they're fine.
Since they're adjustable they're pretty comfortable on the softest setting. Nice for street driving.
On the track I set them full stiff rear and full soft front and the car will behave almost like stock. Perhaps with a tad more understeer.
They are also hight adjustable, and on the lowest setting the car will drop a little under an inch. Nice for that clean look as well
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I use Koni Yellows with stock springs, and I think they're fine.
Since they're adjustable they're pretty comfortable on the softest setting. Nice for street driving.
On the track I set them full stiff rear and full soft front and the car will behave almost like stock
. Perhaps with a tad more understeer.They are also hight adjustable, and on the lowest setting the car will drop a little under an inch. Nice for that clean look as well
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koni yellows + ground controls w/custom spring rate of your choice = done.
don't koni's also come with a good warranty or something? never had to use mine...koni's withstood a grip of miles on some hard spring rates i chose (550Front, 450Rear). not so hard for racing but for daily that's a little stiff.
don't koni's also come with a good warranty or something? never had to use mine...koni's withstood a grip of miles on some hard spring rates i chose (550Front, 450Rear). not so hard for racing but for daily that's a little stiff.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dc2.itr »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i personally dont think they are worth it.. i have them.. ride like poo... well not that bad but not as good as i expected.. paid a crap load and my friends AGX's on his car ride way better..</TD></TR></TABLE>
Can you elaborate on "rides like poo" vs. rides "way better"? What are the shocks doing that you didn't want and/or what are they not doing that you wanted them to do? Too stiff on the street? Not stiff enough on the track?
I'm not trying to be an ***, but I just so rarely hear anyone unhappy with Konis on an ITR, I'm trying to understand.
Can you elaborate on "rides like poo" vs. rides "way better"? What are the shocks doing that you didn't want and/or what are they not doing that you wanted them to do? Too stiff on the street? Not stiff enough on the track?
I'm not trying to be an ***, but I just so rarely hear anyone unhappy with Konis on an ITR, I'm trying to understand.
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Well bumps for example... btw my setup is the yellows w ground controls (the ones made for koni springs) hitting some bumps on my car it makes a noise (loud thumps). We ride the same bumps w my friends car w kybs.. absorbs it beautifully. Can it be the spring rates??? I wanted to put my stock springs on w the konis maybe i would get a better ride. I just dont know how it would look..
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What are your spring rates?
What are your spring rates?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dc2.itr »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well bumps for example... btw my setup is the yellows w ground controls (the ones made for koni springs) hitting some bumps on my car it makes a noise (loud thumps). We ride the same bumps w my friends car w kybs.. absorbs it beautifully. Can it be the spring rates??? I wanted to put my stock springs on w the konis maybe i would get a better ride. I just dont know how it would look..</TD></TR></TABLE>
The whole "thumping" you get when you hit bumps is just a normal symptom of a non-threaded coilover setup. The sleeve of the GC's is just hitting the shaft of the shock ... it's a metal to metal type of sound. This is why people tend to lean towards threaded coilovers, so you don't have issues like that. I'd go back to stock springs, or get the Eibach Pro Kit, which is what I've got on my R. With the Pro Kit, you're back to a stock style ride, with increased rigidy in corners and a lowered stance. It's a good setup. The Pro kit or stock springs on a set of Koni Sports would be a great everyday setup.
The whole "thumping" you get when you hit bumps is just a normal symptom of a non-threaded coilover setup. The sleeve of the GC's is just hitting the shaft of the shock ... it's a metal to metal type of sound. This is why people tend to lean towards threaded coilovers, so you don't have issues like that. I'd go back to stock springs, or get the Eibach Pro Kit, which is what I've got on my R. With the Pro Kit, you're back to a stock style ride, with increased rigidy in corners and a lowered stance. It's a good setup. The Pro kit or stock springs on a set of Koni Sports would be a great everyday setup.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 98 ITR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
The whole "thumping" you get when you hit bumps is just a normal symptom of a non-threaded coilover setup. The sleeve of the GC's is just hitting the shaft of the shock ... it's a metal to metal type of sound. This is why people tend to lean towards threaded coilovers, so you don't have issues like that.</TD></TR></TABLE>
????? If thats the case you have the wrong GC sleeve for your shock (there are several diff applications). Ive never heard any such noise from anyone I know using Konis and GCs (including myself and Ive had 2 different sets for ~3 years). The correct sleeves fit EXTREMELY tight over the shock, and will not move going over bumps.
The whole "thumping" you get when you hit bumps is just a normal symptom of a non-threaded coilover setup. The sleeve of the GC's is just hitting the shaft of the shock ... it's a metal to metal type of sound. This is why people tend to lean towards threaded coilovers, so you don't have issues like that.</TD></TR></TABLE>
????? If thats the case you have the wrong GC sleeve for your shock (there are several diff applications). Ive never heard any such noise from anyone I know using Konis and GCs (including myself and Ive had 2 different sets for ~3 years). The correct sleeves fit EXTREMELY tight over the shock, and will not move going over bumps.
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I'm not trying to be an ***, but I just so rarely hear anyone unhappy with Konis on an ITR, I'm trying to understand.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I've rebuilt Koni Yellow several times, include after having gone to their race spec high performance valving.
The problem that some people have is that we all want to lower the car enough to get -2.5 camber on the front, and a little less than that on the rear.
Even with the race spec valving, this is not going to give you enough travel in all situations, and some of us are just going to blow the shocks and be a pain in the neck for Koni.
After following this problem for years, Ground Control designed some special top hats that extend the travel of the shocks about 25mm farther than you might otherwise have on a lowered ITR, and I'd definitely recommend that people look into this especially if you intend to lower the car to get specific camber <u>and</u> drive enthusiastically and/or track the car extensively.
Most racers will still swear by Koni Yellow and the re-valving, and I don't understand how they could get away w/out the higher top hats unless the street driving has something to do with why they were blowing, or they're achieving their camber with kits (which is really the right way to do it) instead of lowering the cars so much.
But...anyway...enough of us were having enough trouble with having to constantly re-valve the Konis that Ground Control came up w/the special top hats, and anybody going to Konis in a performance application might want to think about using these.
This particular driver switched to the N1 Showa shocks that you'll find in the Mugen and Spoon "N1" competition kits, but that does not mean that you yourselves would not get good use and good life out of the Konis as long as you understand the limitations you'll experience with lowering the car.
When all this trouble was happening, Ground Control and Eibach were talking about putting together a kit that would include the coilovers and springs (in whatever weights), the Konis (valved for your spring rates), and the special top hats in an integral package designed to all work together. If they ever started marketing that kit, it seems to me that would be a no brainer for most enthusiasts.
I'm not trying to be an ***, but I just so rarely hear anyone unhappy with Konis on an ITR, I'm trying to understand.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I've rebuilt Koni Yellow several times, include after having gone to their race spec high performance valving.
The problem that some people have is that we all want to lower the car enough to get -2.5 camber on the front, and a little less than that on the rear.
Even with the race spec valving, this is not going to give you enough travel in all situations, and some of us are just going to blow the shocks and be a pain in the neck for Koni.
After following this problem for years, Ground Control designed some special top hats that extend the travel of the shocks about 25mm farther than you might otherwise have on a lowered ITR, and I'd definitely recommend that people look into this especially if you intend to lower the car to get specific camber <u>and</u> drive enthusiastically and/or track the car extensively.
Most racers will still swear by Koni Yellow and the re-valving, and I don't understand how they could get away w/out the higher top hats unless the street driving has something to do with why they were blowing, or they're achieving their camber with kits (which is really the right way to do it) instead of lowering the cars so much.
But...anyway...enough of us were having enough trouble with having to constantly re-valve the Konis that Ground Control came up w/the special top hats, and anybody going to Konis in a performance application might want to think about using these.
This particular driver switched to the N1 Showa shocks that you'll find in the Mugen and Spoon "N1" competition kits, but that does not mean that you yourselves would not get good use and good life out of the Konis as long as you understand the limitations you'll experience with lowering the car.
When all this trouble was happening, Ground Control and Eibach were talking about putting together a kit that would include the coilovers and springs (in whatever weights), the Konis (valved for your spring rates), and the special top hats in an integral package designed to all work together. If they ever started marketing that kit, it seems to me that would be a no brainer for most enthusiasts.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jetydosa »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
????? If thats the case you have the wrong GC sleeve for your shock (there are several diff applications). Ive never heard any such noise from anyone I know using Konis and GCs (including myself and Ive had 2 different sets for ~3 years). The correct sleeves fit EXTREMELY tight over the shock, and will not move going over bumps.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I bought the application for koni's.. its an extremely tight fit
????? If thats the case you have the wrong GC sleeve for your shock (there are several diff applications). Ive never heard any such noise from anyone I know using Konis and GCs (including myself and Ive had 2 different sets for ~3 years). The correct sleeves fit EXTREMELY tight over the shock, and will not move going over bumps.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I bought the application for koni's.. its an extremely tight fit
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