Flywheel?
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Re: Flywheel? (1GreyTeg)
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Re: Flywheel? (IntegR)
The lightest you can buy.
The lightest I've found is the Comptech.
If you need any more reason, then ask Realtime Racing.
I don't know why people recommend anything else. The price is fair and they hold up great (the aluminum issue is beating a dead horse).
The lightest I've found is the Comptech.
If you need any more reason, then ask Realtime Racing.
I don't know why people recommend anything else. The price is fair and they hold up great (the aluminum issue is beating a dead horse).
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Re: Flywheel? (Tweakmeister)
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the answer to how light your flywheel should be? it depends on how you use your car.
if i'm daily driving my car, and want good tractability, i sure as hell am not going to get a superlight flywheel. no matter how great your pedal mechanics are, the car is just less smooth to operate - especially off the line from a light. you have less inertia.
if i'm tracking/racing my car, then yes, light is generally better. you're not having to take advantage of the inertia from a standstill. on the track you're at speed. the last thing you want is inertia keeping you from revmatching or distrubing your wheels while shifting and breaking the traction circle.
...to say lightest is best w/o looking at how your car will be used is not a fair answer...
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the answer to how light your flywheel should be? it depends on how you use your car.
if i'm daily driving my car, and want good tractability, i sure as hell am not going to get a superlight flywheel. no matter how great your pedal mechanics are, the car is just less smooth to operate - especially off the line from a light. you have less inertia.
if i'm tracking/racing my car, then yes, light is generally better. you're not having to take advantage of the inertia from a standstill. on the track you're at speed. the last thing you want is inertia keeping you from revmatching or distrubing your wheels while shifting and breaking the traction circle.
...to say lightest is best w/o looking at how your car will be used is not a fair answer...
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Re: Flywheel? (kepani)
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the answer to how light your flywheel should be? it depends on how you use your car.
if i'm daily driving my car, and want good tractability, i sure as hell am not going to get a superlight flywheel. no matter how great your pedal mechanics are, the car is just less smooth to operate - especially off the line from a light. you have less inertia.
if i'm tracking/racing my car, then yes, light is generally better. you're not having to take advantage of the inertia from a standstill. on the track you're at speed. the last thing you want is inertia keeping you from revmatching or distrubing your wheels while shifting and breaking the traction circle.
...to say lightest is best w/o looking at how your car will be used is not a fair answer...
kepani</TD></TR></TABLE>
^^ That makes absolute sense.
the answer to how light your flywheel should be? it depends on how you use your car.
if i'm daily driving my car, and want good tractability, i sure as hell am not going to get a superlight flywheel. no matter how great your pedal mechanics are, the car is just less smooth to operate - especially off the line from a light. you have less inertia.
if i'm tracking/racing my car, then yes, light is generally better. you're not having to take advantage of the inertia from a standstill. on the track you're at speed. the last thing you want is inertia keeping you from revmatching or distrubing your wheels while shifting and breaking the traction circle.
...to say lightest is best w/o looking at how your car will be used is not a fair answer...
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^^ That makes absolute sense.
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Re: Flywheel? (kepani)
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the answer to how light your flywheel should be? it depends on how you use your car.
if i'm daily driving my car, and want good tractability, i sure as hell am not going to get a superlight flywheel. no matter how great your pedal mechanics are, the car is just less smooth to operate - especially off the line from a light. you have less inertia.
if i'm tracking/racing my car, then yes, light is generally better. you're not having to take advantage of the inertia from a standstill. on the track you're at speed. the last thing you want is inertia keeping you from revmatching or distrubing your wheels while shifting and breaking the traction circle.
...to say lightest is best w/o looking at how your car will be used is not a fair answer...
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Do you wear concrete blocks as shoes? The theory and the reality are two very different things.
I daily drive the 6.75lbs Comptech through the nation's 2nd worst traffic (Wash DC) and have never had a problem. Short of switching to an automatic transmission, there is almost no difference to the trained foot.
Perhaps your experiences are with a "racier" clutch? I could see that...especially a puck or something.
the answer to how light your flywheel should be? it depends on how you use your car.
if i'm daily driving my car, and want good tractability, i sure as hell am not going to get a superlight flywheel. no matter how great your pedal mechanics are, the car is just less smooth to operate - especially off the line from a light. you have less inertia.
if i'm tracking/racing my car, then yes, light is generally better. you're not having to take advantage of the inertia from a standstill. on the track you're at speed. the last thing you want is inertia keeping you from revmatching or distrubing your wheels while shifting and breaking the traction circle.
...to say lightest is best w/o looking at how your car will be used is not a fair answer...
kepani</TD></TR></TABLE>
Do you wear concrete blocks as shoes? The theory and the reality are two very different things.
I daily drive the 6.75lbs Comptech through the nation's 2nd worst traffic (Wash DC) and have never had a problem. Short of switching to an automatic transmission, there is almost no difference to the trained foot.
Perhaps your experiences are with a "racier" clutch? I could see that...especially a puck or something.
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Re: Flywheel? (Haleiwa-Brando)
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^^ That makes absolute sense.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Actually, no it does not.
^^ That makes absolute sense.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Actually, no it does not.
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Re: Flywheel? (That'll Leave A Mark)
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unfortunately theory and that flywheel you have in you car have everything to do with reality.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hybrider »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Actually, no it does not.</TD></TR></TABLE>
please elaborate...
i personally have a toda. i love it! everyone else who else has lightweight flywheels may love thiers as well...and not have any trouble daily driving it. realtime and their use of the 6.75 lb. flywheel? sure, they're racing...and for the next person, maybe they love it. but to say that that is the end all answer is not giving it justice. the original poster my not be looking for that "response" we all seem to lust after.
there's always a sacrifice with anything you do...not only for cars...
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unfortunately theory and that flywheel you have in you car have everything to do with reality.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hybrider »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Actually, no it does not.</TD></TR></TABLE>
please elaborate...
i personally have a toda. i love it! everyone else who else has lightweight flywheels may love thiers as well...and not have any trouble daily driving it. realtime and their use of the 6.75 lb. flywheel? sure, they're racing...and for the next person, maybe they love it. but to say that that is the end all answer is not giving it justice. the original poster my not be looking for that "response" we all seem to lust after.
there's always a sacrifice with anything you do...not only for cars...
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Re: Flywheel? (kepani)
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...there's always a sacrifice with anything you do...not only for cars...
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I've been running the comptech 6.75lb flywheel for 6+ years now and I can tell you the only sacrifice I made is giving up the money to buy it. There was, and has never been, ANY sacrifice in drivability with this (perhaps the lightest available) flywheel. So while your “theory” might make sense, it simply does not correlate at all to my reality.
...there's always a sacrifice with anything you do...not only for cars...
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I've been running the comptech 6.75lb flywheel for 6+ years now and I can tell you the only sacrifice I made is giving up the money to buy it. There was, and has never been, ANY sacrifice in drivability with this (perhaps the lightest available) flywheel. So while your “theory” might make sense, it simply does not correlate at all to my reality.
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Re: Flywheel? (BABY NSX)
Yes. And that's what I'm getting at...
The transient response will be different with a lighter flywheel. Basically, when you take your foot off the gas, the engine will slow down more quickly (if you're in gear, the weight of the car will shift more quickly).
For a lightweight car like a Honda, this effect is minimal, and is outweighed by the gains in acceleration (and ultimately, for the better drivers, the transient response itself).
The transient response will be different with a lighter flywheel. Basically, when you take your foot off the gas, the engine will slow down more quickly (if you're in gear, the weight of the car will shift more quickly).
For a lightweight car like a Honda, this effect is minimal, and is outweighed by the gains in acceleration (and ultimately, for the better drivers, the transient response itself).
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Re: Flywheel? (KayOs)
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me too.
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me too.
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Re: Flywheel? (88 rex)
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I have no drivability issues at all, not even in traffic.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Same here plus the price is reasonable.
I have no drivability issues at all, not even in traffic.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Same here plus the price is reasonable.
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Re: Flywheel? (The Kernel)
i don't see what everyones issue is with DD a car with a light weigfht flywheel, if you can't adjust to the little differences in how the car revs and takes off from a dead stop you haven't had much time behind the wheel in a MT equipped car.
i'm using a JUN Ultra Lightweight Flywheel and love it, it's also very easy to opperate the car on a day to day basis with it. it's funny how people get so technical and out or perspective with simple questions like these
i'm using a JUN Ultra Lightweight Flywheel and love it, it's also very easy to opperate the car on a day to day basis with it. it's funny how people get so technical and out or perspective with simple questions like these
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