Hey everyone, once i sell my integra i will be looking to get a s2000.

I will either be looking at the 2003 (ap1) or 2004 (ap2) models.

Considering both are in great condition with about 20k miles and roughly the same price (ap2 being a little more) which would be the better buy?

What are the pro's and cons past the upgraded styling?

I like the look of the ap2 and the engine of the ap1 (not interesting in swapping fenders etc...)

Which engine is superior in your opinion? and reasons....

THANKS GUYS!!

hope to be in the s2000 forum family soon!

 

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just get the ap2, its newer enough said.

 

I'm a fan of the AP2. It's a stiffer body, more forgiving suspension (yet still with the same high limits), better rear diff (supposedly) and transmission, more torque, and better wheels and tires.

Tim

 

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Tim</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

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i thought the ap1 was? humm...

 

I t is really up to you man. I chose the AP1. AP2 has more torque, but honda is known for high revving, efficient motors. I like having the 9k redline. I like the AP2 front bumper, but can't stand the rear... The bottom line is you will win either way. It is all up to what you like.... Good Luck, and make sure to post up pics of her when you get her...

 

keep them coming...

wasnt sure if one was heavier than the other, stiffer, etc... more features in the interior?

thanks

 

Have your test-driven both? If not, do it. Yay. You say you like the ap1 engine and the ap2 aesthetics. Get an AP1 and do the conversions.

 

yes ive driven both. i think for me it will either be one or the other.

 

isnt it true the the jdm s2000's have the engine of the ap1 (f20) with the styling of the ap2?

 

just testdrive, i like everything about the AP2 except the rear bumper. interior looks great

 

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really? personally i like the ap1 better, i dont like the steel radio cover, i do like the function of dual cupholder

oh yea
02-03 tweeters &gt; 04+ tweeters

 

ap1 cuz its cheaper and it has the high redline + u can convert it to look like an ap2

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Integra21 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yes ive driven both. i think for me it will either be one or the other.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah. We figured as much.

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They did until just recently. They now sell the 2.2L models now.

 

There is a reason why they switched to the F22. Its because its a better motor. =-) How often will you use the extra 1k rpms? How often will the better gearing and 10% more power in the lower and midrange be used?

 

^point understood for daily driving sakes

but what about racing where the f20 lives 7-9k?

 

Many racers are using the F22. There is no replacement for displacement.

 

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Engineering&gt;Displacement..

F20&gt;F22 anyday!!!!

 

This is one of those comparisons on the level of your choice of donut:glazed or chocolate?

 

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No doubt its all about preference...

 

I prefer the 04 model. Shorter internal gear ratio, reworked rear end geometry( makes the car behave ), more torque, The 9k redline on the old model doesn't matter on the track. The newer 2.2 and gears make it faster. ( more usable power )

 

Um thats a pretty stupid statement since its the same motor just bigger.

 

yea its stroked not the same..

 

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All that tells me is that you cant control it, i've drove both on and off the track and handling is much better in the AP1, The AP2 is not faster they even out to be the same....

 

Actually the AP2 is proven to be at least 0.5 sec faster on a track.