went to mission raceway, BC last friday and ran a 12.372@114.47 then a 12.242 @ 115.36 . im pretty happy with the results. im wondering if i take out all the passenger seats out and mabey even the stock hood, could i break into the 11's? current race weight is at 1975#'s without me

http://www.imagestation.com/al...90796

my set up is :
1991 civic cx hb
-d16y8 , stock long block except for a block guard
-eldebrock turbo kit (t28 turbo), 3"mild steel exhaust
-obd1, uberdata untuned base map @ 1bar, pump gas and dsm 450cc
-22" slicks and traction bars
-stock si cable transaxle, stock axles
weight reduction- carpet and tar

 

Those are great numbers, how long have you been running with taht much boost?

 

Getting it tuned could put you into the 11s.

 

I'm curious if you used a map for a y8 or not? Only reason I ask is all the timing wierdness for those motors. I'm wondering if you ran a non-y8 map or not.

 

Sounds like one fun *** little street car you got there..

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by splitime &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm curious if you used a map for a y8 or not? Only reason I ask is all the timing wierdness for those motors. I'm wondering if you ran a non-y8 map or not.</TD></TR></TABLE>

What would make you think he ran a Z6 instead of a Y8 map?

You think 1 bar on that turbo should put him into the 11s?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nota-eg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What would make you think he ran a Z6 instead of a Y8 map?

You think 1 bar on that turbo should put him into the 11s?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Because there has been alot of discussion about p2p timing maps and how they are significantly different than Z6 timing maps. The idea is that the Knock sensor is used to just have the ecu add timing... and then regulate it on the fly. Which means that a non-y8 map will have ALOT more timing than the motor tends to like. There have been alot of people with headlifting issues because of this.

So basically I'm curious as to what map he used, If its for a y8, I didnt know there was an established base map that could put him where he is for a y8.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by trecool44 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Those are great numbers, how long have you been running with taht much boost?</TD></TR></TABLE>
thanks, ive been running for about 5 months on 10psi, then i had some troubles while trying to turn it up to 1 bar... it spiked to about 17psi a few times and blew my headgasket.after putting a new headgasket and blockguard, ive been running at 1 bar for about a week.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nota-eg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Getting it tuned could put you into the 11s.</TD></TR></TABLE>
i should stop being lazy and get my wideband in there and do some of my own tuning. removing body panels and seats seems soo much easier

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by splitime &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm curious if you used a map for a y8 or not? Only reason I ask is all the timing wierdness for those motors. I'm wondering if you ran a non-y8 map or not.</TD></TR></TABLE>
i ran the stock y8 map on the throttle body

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 18gsir &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i ran the stock y8 map on the throttle body</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm referring to the Uberdata map

 

good times

Im sure you can break 11s.

you should talk to nerdsports about weight reduction
check out his site in my sig

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by splitime &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Because there has been alot of discussion about p2p timing maps and how they are significantly different than Z6 timing maps. The idea is that the Knock sensor is used to just have the ecu add timing... and then regulate it on the fly. Which means that a non-y8 map will have ALOT more timing than the motor tends to like. There have been alot of people with headlifting issues because of this.

So basically I'm curious as to what map he used, If its for a y8, I didnt know there was an established base map that could put him where he is for a y8.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I see what you're saying now. If he's running a Z6 map the timing is already screwed up (I already knew that bit. ) I didn't know that the ECU would add timing if it wasn't knocking, but it wouldn't do that unless he was running a p2p ECU, which he has to be running an OBD1 ECU to run Uberdata.

I don't think he has to worry about it adding timing, but I would think running a Z6 map on a Y8 motor would probably make it run ****-poor.

OP: I would much rather spend a few hours tuning my car than spend time pulling **** out and then trying to find someplace to put it, and then have to put it back into the car. Tuning is a one time thing (sorta ) and you will thank yourself in the long run.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by splitime &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Because there has been alot of discussion about p2p timing maps and how they are significantly different than Z6 timing maps. The idea is that the Knock sensor is used to just have the ecu add timing... and then regulate it on the fly. Which means that a non-y8 map will have ALOT more timing than the motor tends to like. There have been alot of people with headlifting issues because of this.

So basically I'm curious as to what map he used, If its for a y8, I didnt know there was an established base map that could put him where he is for a y8.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Interesting idea and the first time that I've heard it.

Oh yeah and nice times!

 

good times ..is the head stock as well?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RyanCivic2000 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Interesting idea and the first time that I've heard it.

Oh yeah and nice times! </TD></TR></TABLE>

A note... that is what is thought that the stock p2p ecu does with the knock sensor... obviously obd1 ecu won't give a ****.

What people are guessing though... is that the y8 isn't much of a lover for timing.. and z6 maps tend to be past its ideal zone.

People are running z6 maps on y8s and finding things going boom or head lifting or power (lots of timing can do that for a bit). Plus the oiling issues being seen on y8s, no idea why they redid that darn pump and such.

I dont believe there are any definite answers... JD has done some info gathering and tuning and has offered tidbits... but he's being nice and not giving it all out... so people actually try to learn for themselves

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by splitime &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">



What people are guessing though... is that the y8 isn't much of a lover for timing.. and z6 maps tend to be past its ideal zone.

People are running z6 maps on y8s and finding things going boom or head lifting or power (lots of timing can do that for a bit).

</TD></TR></TABLE>

yea, I believe that was the problem I ran into when I boosted my y8

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Dacia &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yea, I believe that was the problem I ran into when I boosted my y8</TD></TR></TABLE>

I've yet to tune a y8, so i'm trying to keep the learning threads alive when I see people boosting them. I figure the more we try to find out about successfull setups... the better chance we have of figuring out general rules of thumb.

Up for some map info

 

good idea

Yea I did some research on it when my civic was boosted, we were using uberdata to tune...I blew a couple hg's This was in 2004 and I think theres alot more material on it today. Which is a good thing

edit* crome has a y8 map

 

I heard about your runs Doug, great times

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by splitime &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I'm referring to the Uberdata map </TD></TR></TABLE>
this is how i made my base map with uber 1.7:
started with a stock gsr bin/map
<U>removed the knock</U>
removed the vtp
removed vtec coolant check
vtec&lt;20mph
vtec @4376rpm
rev limit @8015rpm
fuel modifiers for 450's
added boost eff @120
increased the hi fuel @ 11.03psi a few % ( i think 10%)just to be safer
regular ign retard @.9deg per #
no launch control
this was not done in this order

im also using this simlar setup on my bros turbo stock ls 4dr exv minus the vtec and increaesed hi fuel

any more questions?

thanks for the props

im thinking of trying crome, but ill wait till i get the uberdata tuned first

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Dacia &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">good times

Im sure you can break 11s.

you should talk to nerdsports about weight reduction
check out his site in my sig</TD></TR></TABLE>
wow, my setup is quite similar to his incl the flat black paint. i like it

 

exactly

 

already replied to your thread on turbo-d16.com, but i'll have to reply here as well hehe.

great times. you should hit the dyno to see how much power you're putting out on that thing. i havent seen that many edelbrock kits in use.

you said you set your rev limiter to 8015rpm. what rpm are you taking it to??

 

I take it most people were unaware that the Y8 had a knock sensor?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by oscarmayer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I take it most people were unaware that the Y8 had a knock sensor?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I think most people know it has one, we just didn't know how exactly it worked.

I thought that it pulled timing if it detected knock. I had no idea that it advanced timing if there was no knock.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nerdsports &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">already replied to your thread on turbo-d16.com, but i'll have to reply here as well hehe.

great times. you should hit the dyno to see how much power you're putting out on that thing. i havent seen that many edelbrock kits in use.

you said you set your rev limiter to 8015rpm. what rpm are you taking it to??</TD></TR></TABLE>
thanks, i prolly wont end up at the dyno with this thing. im trying to spend as little money on it as i can. i might take it to the dyno if they have a cheap $50cand a run type thing.
i take it to 8000 after the 1-2 shift. as for the 1-2 shift i like to stay around 7800 or a bit less because it tends to grind if i shift at 8000