I have been looking for some comments on the Toda exhaust system and I really cant find much. I am leaning towards Mugen but wanted to know if anyone has the Toda exhaust on their s2k. Which is better ...mugen or toda when comparing sound ( @ idle and in vtec)? I dont expect much gain in hp (if any) from either.

 

you'll see more HP gain with a toda, mugen says there's is no HP increase according to kings website, just weight reduction

 

I saw that they (Mugen and Toda) have about the same weight. I have read some other posts were they say single exhaust is the way to go but I love the dual exhaust look!

 

Its a hard call...

I know the Mugen claims no HP gain, but i can't see that being true. Mugen is top notch, and it does serve its function.

 

I dont want my exhaust to be too loud (like most singles) but I want to hear the VTEC loud and clear when I jump on it!

 

i like the way toda tip looks get it cuz everyone's got the mugen one

 

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SCC ran a dyno on king's ap2 couple years back, all the peak torque and hp is the same as stock ap2, the only different is that powerband took a dip everywhere else.

I am very surpise also, it have the mugen intake, header and cat back.

not sure how mugen let that one slip by.

 

i love Mugen like it was my kid but i hate dual exhausts.

 

J's FX Titan 70/60RS Dual Exit - FTW

Love this exhaust, i was always a fan of the Limp tip
i always wanted the 5Zigen Pro Racer GN+ for my EK hatch
it has that lip tip to it

Js racing


This Exhaust with some TE37 MAG's ahhhh... So Hot

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by iam7head &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">SCC ran a dyno on king's ap2 couple years back, all the peak torque and hp is the same as stock ap2, the only different is that powerband took a dip everywhere else.

I am very surpise also, it have the mugen intake, header and cat back.

not sure how mugen let that one slip by. </TD></TR></TABLE>

It slipped by not because Mugen showed no gains with its parts, but because the SEMA car that was tested a couple of years ago was an AP2 (MY2004). All the Mugen performance stuff on the car was designed around and engineered for an F20c (as oppose to an F20c1 or a F22c1).

Complaining or pointing out the deficiencies about that car with Mugen parts on it is like saying that the Spoon header for the B16 sucks because it lost tq numbers on a B20.

 

I generally like mugen products but i just can't justify spending all the money for the mugen exhaust. Makes no HP and almost as quiet as stock .

 

No exhaust makes hp. Exhaust and other emissions/intake pieces can free up hp and tq. The Mugen exhaust does free up hp and tq, just not how everyone expects it to free up hp and tq. If peak numbers are what you're looking for, why even look at Mugen or other JDM stuff....why not just go custom turbo kit.

Mugen for the S2000 is to bump up real world usable hp and tq. Everything is designed NOT to enhance top-end, but it's also NOT to take away from top-end. Mugen enhances down low and midrange. For 90% of the S2000s driven in the states....that's exactly what enhances driving performance (which isn't only about accelerating the fastest, or topping out 5th and 6th gears).

 

^^^ what ever dude

 

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Luder knows his stuff...

your the wrong person

 

I think dual exhaust doesn't gives you much hp but single will gives you a lot more power beside weight reduction.

If you want power, single exhaust will be your best bet.

 

I post not so much to defend my choices for modding my S2000, but just to educate. I've used the following two quotes from fellow upper Midwest S2000 owners every so often (it comes up about once or twice every two years).

Take their words and opinions about Mugen mods for what you will.

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Another UMW owner and I drove down to Austin for an S2K Days event years ago. He had the majority of seat time in the drive down and back up. The following year we both paced each other at another event in Michigan call the Fresh Water Tour. Here's his take:

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Personally, I don't need or want an F20c that redlines at 10,500, and makes all its power at 9800. I just don't wind my motor out that much on a typical day of driving. I can see the advantage of it on a roadcourse....but 90% of S2000 aren't driven on a roadcourse. The main use for my car is for weekend fun and around town driving....everything Mugen addressed with the F20c is what I was looking for.

Another factor of why so many people that bought Mugen parts had to do with WHEN they bought them. Four years ago when I bought my performance parts, there just wasn't much in the market place. I did all the Mugen performance parts before any of the aesthetics. If I was starting fresh now, would I buy the Mugen coilovers, Mugen ECU, Mugen exhaust, or the Mugen hood? Most likely not....well, I may still have splurged on the Mugen hood just to keep all my aesthetics "one make". I would surely do the wheels, front, wing, and hardtop regardless of what else is on the market.

As one more side, just so you know that I didn't do everything Mugen just because it has a "Mugen" sticker or badge on it, I recently replaced my Mugen ECU with an AEM EMS. I know the limitation with a static map ECU....now there's something new and proven on the market...I'm not stupid and I do want to be able to gain even more low end grunt. The EMS will help me do this.

Anyway...here's an already whored pic of both GTRPower's (quoted above) and my car together from this past weekend:

 

Well.....again I ask ....Mugen or Toda? I havent heard much about the Toda exhaust and wanted to know if anyone has it. Like i said in my original post...I am NOT looking for HP gains. Weight reduction, sound, looks ....yes. It looks like everyone is all over Mugen so i think I may go Toda!

 

Back on topic,

AJ Pwr is definitely right about freeing up the "most" power. If you want to make a high peak hp car, a straight-through piping and single outlet exhaust is your best bet. As an added benefit, you'll lose a considerable amount of weight with this type of mod.

I personally think the best exhaust would be an exhaust like what BMW uses for their cars. They use a vacuum switch to open and close a valve that routes exhaust gases to a second muffler or exhaust tip. On standing and soft start, the exhaust is routed through a single outlet (keeps back pressure). At WOT, the exhaust is routed through the dual outlet (no back pressure).

If something like that can be designed and constructed for the S2000, this could be the best <u>street</u> exhaust for the car. Keep the low end grunt the car has, and allow the car to breath freely at/near WOT.

 

Hey Luder, by the way...I must say....both of those s2k's look AWESOME!!!!

 

Problem with TODA is that recently, their quality control hasn't been up to par (at least with their header construction).

If you can not limit yourself to choosing between Toda and Mugen, I'd suggest a T1R single outlet. You'd get a real lightweight exhaust, great looks (no hanging, big *** canister), great quality construction, good hp gains, great midrange tq gain, and great value (it's not too expensive of an exhaust).

It's a very good sounding exhaust as well....if the exhaust note is too much for you, it comes with a silencer.

 

I think I will check the T1R out..thanks for the tip (and the schooling on the Mugen stuff). I have always looked at them as the "BASF" for Honda. Like the BASF saying goes," We dont make any of the products you use ....we just make them better". There is no denying that a Mugenized s2000 is better than a stock one.

 

Funny thing about the Mugen and Honda S2000 dynamic is, is that when the SSM (S2000 prototype) was under development, Mugen did do a bit of engineering for the Honda folks for the SSM program.

Intake, engine, exhaust, and even suspension was engineered with Mugen engineers. All the things that make the S2000 the S2000, Mugen had a hand in it (I'm sure this is also why Mugen had so many upgrades ready for market for the car so early in the life of the S2000).

 

not to get off track, but powerhouse Amuse makes a nice blaze tip dual exhaust too. dont know about the horsepower gains tho

 

id go with with a cheaper single exhaust, and save for other mods to "free up" some hp/tq.

and Luder knows his ****

 

toda gets my vote