clearance with rage(hytech) production header
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clearance with rage production header
does anybody else's header hit the block webbing? here is what mine looks like
Modified by gldndrgn14 at 3:00 PM 5/18/2006
Modified by gldndrgn14 at 3:00 PM 5/18/2006
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they werent bad. it was smoothed out. i ported it out a bit more to match the gasket a little better. but there was a lot of grind dust and metal particles in the header itself. and plus this is up for mockup anyway on my stock engine. so it will have some more work done on the other engine to match it better. haha
anybody else experience this problem that i have?
anybody else experience this problem that i have?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by clean rice »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Why don't the welds go all the way around on the primaries?? 
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I was curious about that too...perhaps someone can fill us in.
</TD></TR></TABLE>I was curious about that too...perhaps someone can fill us in.
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Re: (97L-esVeeTeg)
the primaries are flush with the flange mating face. i dont know if they had welded the insides or not, but its a pretty tight fit and would not leak. inside was ported smooth.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by clean rice »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Why don't the welds go all the way around on the primaries?? </TD></TR></TABLE>
Theyre also welded on the inside. Thats normal.
</TD></TR></TABLE>Theyre also welded on the inside. Thats normal.
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Re: (clean rice)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by clean rice »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Why don't the welds go all the way around on the primaries?? </TD></TR></TABLE>
Looks funky
The Rage header is similar in design to the Hytech but they are not the same header.
<----Runs Hytech
</TD></TR></TABLE>Looks funky
The Rage header is similar in design to the Hytech but they are not the same header.
<----Runs Hytech
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Looks funky
The Rage header is similar in design to the Hytech but they are not the same header.
<----Runs Hytech</TD></TR></TABLE>
sorry. i was told and read from many people that its the same header just no name plate.
can i not edit the thread title?
Looks funky
The Rage header is similar in design to the Hytech but they are not the same header.
<----Runs Hytech</TD></TR></TABLE>
sorry. i was told and read from many people that its the same header just no name plate.
can i not edit the thread title?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gldndrgn14 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
sorry. i was told and read from many people that its the same header just no name plate.
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Just to set the record straight......
I called John at Hytech this afternoon to find out what the deal is with the Hytech production headers and their knockoff counterparts. I did so because I bought a Hytech production header today that was supposedly made by the same fabricator, just without the Hytech name plate, but exactly like the name brand Hytech production header in tube diameter and length. The vendor bought up a few of these headers from the fabricator with the hopes to flip them. The vendor told me that the header he was selling was built for Hytech, but Hytech did not pay the fabricator for the last batch they made (100+) because the fitment and weld quality was so poor. According to John, Hytech got sick of dealing with the poor quality control and discontinued using this fabricator and now manufactures all their production headers "in house".
So it's not really a black and white, yes or no type answer. Technically the Rage headers are Hytech production headers, sans the badging. But the reason they're sold under that name plate (Rage), and not the Hytech name plate was because the fitment and weld quality was not acceptable to Hytech. Since Hytech no longer uses that fabricator, technically they're not the same in every way (in this case construction quality) and thus they are different.
I'm not upset with the vendor at all (n case he reads this). I don't think he maliciously tried to "dupe" me. He was upfront that the header (a) did not have the name plate on it, and (b) that some of the headers (not all) did have some fitment issues.
sorry. i was told and read from many people that its the same header just no name plate.
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Just to set the record straight......
I called John at Hytech this afternoon to find out what the deal is with the Hytech production headers and their knockoff counterparts. I did so because I bought a Hytech production header today that was supposedly made by the same fabricator, just without the Hytech name plate, but exactly like the name brand Hytech production header in tube diameter and length. The vendor bought up a few of these headers from the fabricator with the hopes to flip them. The vendor told me that the header he was selling was built for Hytech, but Hytech did not pay the fabricator for the last batch they made (100+) because the fitment and weld quality was so poor. According to John, Hytech got sick of dealing with the poor quality control and discontinued using this fabricator and now manufactures all their production headers "in house".
So it's not really a black and white, yes or no type answer. Technically the Rage headers are Hytech production headers, sans the badging. But the reason they're sold under that name plate (Rage), and not the Hytech name plate was because the fitment and weld quality was not acceptable to Hytech. Since Hytech no longer uses that fabricator, technically they're not the same in every way (in this case construction quality) and thus they are different.
I'm not upset with the vendor at all (n case he reads this). I don't think he maliciously tried to "dupe" me. He was upfront that the header (a) did not have the name plate on it, and (b) that some of the headers (not all) did have some fitment issues.
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Just to set the record straight......
I called John at Hytech this afternoon to find out what the deal is with the Hytech production headers and their knockoff counterparts. I did so because I bought a Hytech production header today that was supposedly made by the same fabricator, just without the Hytech name plate, but exactly like the name brand Hytech production header in tube diameter and length. The vendor bought up a few of these headers from the fabricator with the hopes to flip them. The vendor told me that the header he was selling was built for Hytech, but Hytech did not pay the fabricator for the last batch they made (100+) because the fitment and weld quality was so poor. According to John, Hytech got sick of dealing with the poor quality control and discontinued using this fabricator and now manufactures all their production headers "in house".
So it's not really a black and white, yes or no type answer. Technically the Rage headers are Hytech production headers, sans the badging. But the reason they're sold under that name plate (Rage), and not the Hytech name plate was because the fitment and weld quality was not acceptable to Hytech. Since Hytech no longer uses that fabricator, technically they're not the same in every way (in this case construction quality) and thus they are different.
I'm not upset with the vendor at all (n case he reads this). I don't think he maliciously tried to "dupe" me. He was upfront that the header (a) did not have the name plate on it, and (b) that some of the headers (not all) did have some fitment issues. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Interesting...
Just to set the record straight......
I called John at Hytech this afternoon to find out what the deal is with the Hytech production headers and their knockoff counterparts. I did so because I bought a Hytech production header today that was supposedly made by the same fabricator, just without the Hytech name plate, but exactly like the name brand Hytech production header in tube diameter and length. The vendor bought up a few of these headers from the fabricator with the hopes to flip them. The vendor told me that the header he was selling was built for Hytech, but Hytech did not pay the fabricator for the last batch they made (100+) because the fitment and weld quality was so poor. According to John, Hytech got sick of dealing with the poor quality control and discontinued using this fabricator and now manufactures all their production headers "in house".
So it's not really a black and white, yes or no type answer. Technically the Rage headers are Hytech production headers, sans the badging. But the reason they're sold under that name plate (Rage), and not the Hytech name plate was because the fitment and weld quality was not acceptable to Hytech. Since Hytech no longer uses that fabricator, technically they're not the same in every way (in this case construction quality) and thus they are different.
I'm not upset with the vendor at all (n case he reads this). I don't think he maliciously tried to "dupe" me. He was upfront that the header (a) did not have the name plate on it, and (b) that some of the headers (not all) did have some fitment issues. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Interesting...
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 97L-esVeeTeg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Interesting...</TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 97L-esVeeTeg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Interesting...</TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 97L-esVeeTeg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Interesting...</TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 97L-esVeeTeg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Interesting...</TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 97L-esVeeTeg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Interesting...</TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 97L-esVeeTeg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Interesting...</TD></TR></TABLE>
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Re: (Sound Streamin')
Mine fit great, but I had to port match the flange to the head. Only problem is, it's freaking leaking exhaust gases through the merger. Don't know if it's my header or I don't have it in all the way. Tried reinstalling 3 times already. Still leaks, Jason @ Whitfield wanted me to send it back to check it out but I got no header to put in my car. I don't like the springs that holds the merger. They should kept the old design with the screws.
As for clearance, it's ok. Not so good on a drop car, the 4 primaries going down to oil pan sit pretty low.
As for clearance, it's ok. Not so good on a drop car, the 4 primaries going down to oil pan sit pretty low.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sheepey »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">man this header **** is getting out of control... (not really in this thread as compared to others) </TD></TR></TABLE>
yeah well my header is bigger than yours.
(not really in this thread as compared to others) </TD></TR></TABLE>yeah well my header is bigger than yours.
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Re: clearance with rage production header (Dropped K24A1)
i had a problem wit the fitment on mine.. mine also rubs on the block and on the bottom of the tranny... mine also leaks too...
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Re: clearance with rage production header (bearsEK)
Its no secret that Hytech,SMSP, DTR, RMF and a few others make a fantastic header. Although expensive they offer better performance than your average DC or equivalent.
Being meticulously hand made they cost about 1000-1400+ depending on options.
Although the price is fair and consistent for the quality and performance you get, not everyone can afford it. In many cases there is also a long wait as each header can take 2-5 days to build.
Another thing i would like to point out is that its rare to have a person that is exceptionally gifted in multiple areas. Take for example fabrication. The best of the best fabricators generally lack good business skills. Also people that are gifted usually have a lot of pride in what they do. And that's a good thing and bad thing. Pride can get in the way of good business decision making.
The reality is only a small percentage of the people buy the best or top of the line products (maybe 10%). The rest of us buy what they can afford and look for the best compromise between quality, performance and price.
The Rage header incorporates compromises that make the header more affordable while still offering nearly the same power and quality. Nothing is perfect as faults and imperfections can be seen on even the best products. Its awfully ignorant to point out the most insignificant imperfections while over looking the important areas such as performance. The same as stepping over a dollar to pick up a penny. The primary reason you buy a header is for the HP increase.
Sure anyone can criticize the rage header or any header for than matter but its on the market because there is a demand. Ignoring a demand would be bad... for everyone, as demand helps more than hurts.
"You can discover what your competitors fear most by observing the means they use to discredit you."
Being meticulously hand made they cost about 1000-1400+ depending on options.
Although the price is fair and consistent for the quality and performance you get, not everyone can afford it. In many cases there is also a long wait as each header can take 2-5 days to build.
Another thing i would like to point out is that its rare to have a person that is exceptionally gifted in multiple areas. Take for example fabrication. The best of the best fabricators generally lack good business skills. Also people that are gifted usually have a lot of pride in what they do. And that's a good thing and bad thing. Pride can get in the way of good business decision making.
The reality is only a small percentage of the people buy the best or top of the line products (maybe 10%). The rest of us buy what they can afford and look for the best compromise between quality, performance and price.
The Rage header incorporates compromises that make the header more affordable while still offering nearly the same power and quality. Nothing is perfect as faults and imperfections can be seen on even the best products. Its awfully ignorant to point out the most insignificant imperfections while over looking the important areas such as performance. The same as stepping over a dollar to pick up a penny. The primary reason you buy a header is for the HP increase.
Sure anyone can criticize the rage header or any header for than matter but its on the market because there is a demand. Ignoring a demand would be bad... for everyone, as demand helps more than hurts.
"You can discover what your competitors fear most by observing the means they use to discredit you."
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Re: clearance with rage production header (diesel32)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by diesel32 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Its no secret that Hytech,SMSP, DTR, RMF and a few others make a fantastic header. Although expensive they offer better performance than your average DC or equivalent.
Being meticulously hand made they cost about 1000-1400+ depending on options.
Although the price is fair and consistent for the quality and performance you get, not everyone can afford it. In many cases there is also a long wait as each header can take 2-5 days to build.
Another thing i would like to point out is that its rare to have a person that is exceptionally gifted in multiple areas. Take for example fabrication. The best of the best fabricators generally lack good business skills. Also people that are gifted usually have a lot of pride in what they do. And that's a good thing and bad thing. Pride can get in the way of good business decision making.
The reality is only a small percentage of the people buy the best or top of the line products (maybe 10%). The rest of us buy what they can afford and look for the best compromise between quality, performance and price.
The Rage header incorporates compromises that make the header more affordable while still offering nearly the same power and quality. Nothing is perfect as faults and imperfections can be seen on even the best products. Its awfully ignorant to point out the most insignificant imperfections while over looking the important areas such as performance. The same as stepping over a dollar to pick up a penny. The primary reason you buy a header is for the HP increase.
Sure anyone can criticize the rage header or any header for than matter but its on the market because there is a demand. Ignoring a demand would be bad... for everyone, as demand helps more than hurts.
"You can discover what your competitors fear most by observing the means they use to discredit you."</TD></TR></TABLE> That is why the DC4-1 with 2 1/2 collector is a good buy. E-Bay baby.
Being meticulously hand made they cost about 1000-1400+ depending on options.
Although the price is fair and consistent for the quality and performance you get, not everyone can afford it. In many cases there is also a long wait as each header can take 2-5 days to build.
Another thing i would like to point out is that its rare to have a person that is exceptionally gifted in multiple areas. Take for example fabrication. The best of the best fabricators generally lack good business skills. Also people that are gifted usually have a lot of pride in what they do. And that's a good thing and bad thing. Pride can get in the way of good business decision making.
The reality is only a small percentage of the people buy the best or top of the line products (maybe 10%). The rest of us buy what they can afford and look for the best compromise between quality, performance and price.
The Rage header incorporates compromises that make the header more affordable while still offering nearly the same power and quality. Nothing is perfect as faults and imperfections can be seen on even the best products. Its awfully ignorant to point out the most insignificant imperfections while over looking the important areas such as performance. The same as stepping over a dollar to pick up a penny. The primary reason you buy a header is for the HP increase.
Sure anyone can criticize the rage header or any header for than matter but its on the market because there is a demand. Ignoring a demand would be bad... for everyone, as demand helps more than hurts.
"You can discover what your competitors fear most by observing the means they use to discredit you."</TD></TR></TABLE> That is why the DC4-1 with 2 1/2 collector is a good buy. E-Bay baby.