recently sold my greddy 15g kit to restore my car's exterior. not that it's done however, it's time once again to invest in some go fast parts. ive narrowed it down to 2 options and was wondering what you guys think i should do...

budget: $4000-$5000
1. stock rebuild on a d16y8 and slap on an edelbrock kit
2. b18c5 and leave it bone stock

im looking for reliability and a setup that is fun to drive. i love the pull in a turbo car but i would also love to experience the thrill of 8000 rpm. which option would you go? remember, what would be more fun to drive as opposed to what would be faster.

thanks

 

It's all in the eye of the beholder man. Me personally, I would rather have a turbo car but if reliability is a big factor, you may want to stick with the C5.

A well thought out well tuned turbo setup will be reliable as well but nothing is ever as certain as OEM. It's really all up to you and what you prefer.

I personally prefer the feel of a turbo car to a C5 having driven both but either one will be a good time.

 

thanks for the quick reply... yeah this decision is friggin killin me. the edelbrock kit is such an awesome kit and i would love to rock one seeing as how i use to run a small greddy turbo and the edelbrock would be such a great upgrade.

on the other hand, i would love to see a b-series in my engine bay. on top of that i think the shorter gears, lsd, and the sound of vtec would put a smile on my face every damn time...

oh man decisions decisons....

 

Boost gets u laid.

 

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Agreed

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tallywacker &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">D series cant go to 8000? This was my D16Z6 EJ1, before I put B16A, and EG6 cluster in it:



If you want the turbo D to be as fullfilling as the C5:

Use the D16Z6, not the Y8 (iwont get into it, just look it up)
Build the bottom, with the "standard" parts
Get a ZEX 59300 cam
set VTEC at 6000, redline 9000.
Use a larger turbo like .68/62 AR

You'll be able to make power past 8000, like teh ITR, with the big turbo, and VTEC will crack crazy loud when set late. YOu'll be on the low end cam longer, but boost will negate the effects.

IF I was gonna do a SOHC, that's what I would do.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah I feel u on that, my mugen chipped p28 that I had used to put me at like 8600 redline.. I'd say Turbo the single cam just cuz my brother has ITR an I used to have boost an even he loved my car more than his... FYI But is it all up to u man, personally I think the HT community would vanquish more on the Turbo D just cuz that would involve more hands on work an think about it, swappin a B series isnt such a big deal to post pics of, you could do the turbo swap an make a DIY Write Up to get tons of HT Brownie Points.. Good Luck...

 

If I had the money to get a C5, I'd rather just get a C1 and build it with mildly high comp and good cams.

Turbo Ds are good setups, but I'm just not a huge fan of SOHCs...

 

turbo!
more low end torque, an area hondas usually lack in


Modified by GG99 at 9:12 AM 5/17/2006

 

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more low end tourqe, an area hondas usually lack in</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tallywacker &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">D series cant go to 8000? This was my D16Z6 EJ1, before I put B16A, and EG6 cluster in it:



If you want the turbo D to be as fullfilling as the C5:

Use the D16Z6, not the Y8 (iwont get into it, just look it up)
Build the bottom, with the "standard" parts
Get a ZEX 59300 cam
set VTEC at 6000, redline 9000.
Use a larger turbo like .68/62 AR

You'll be able to make power past 8000, like teh ITR, with the big turbo, and VTEC will crack crazy loud when set late. YOu'll be on the low end cam longer, but boost will negate the effects.

IF I was gonna do a SOHC, that's what I would do.</TD></TR></TABLE>

sounds good to me

 

What valvetrain are you using to rev up to 9000?

 

i know this is not one of your options up there but my friend did this...first he did started out with a 94 si hatch (d16) boosted....and he felt like it was slow or as fast as a gsr hatch....now have selling his old motor, he has boosted gsr... so what am trying to say is you can you start off with a stock gsr...and then later in the future you can stock boost it if you still want reliability, 6-8 lbs of boost should be fine for D or B series... good luck on the desicions

 

lol holy crap!

I don't even shift past 8 on a stock B16 valvetrain with CTRs

 

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I don't even shift past 8 on a stock B16 valvetrain with CTRs</TD></TR></TABLE>

Take that sucker to 8200. Man I miss my old B16; I would shift that sucker at 9000

 

Yea but we're talking about a Z6 lol

I'm too scared to even shift past 8500 with supertechs

 

Between a Y8 with an Edelbrock kit and a C5 ... I'd pick the C5.

A Y8 with a custom pieced turbo, or an upgraded used greddy kit ... or a C5, I'd pick the boosted D.

 

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b18c5 gets all the mad tyte jdm folks drooling

 

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And gets your car stolen if anyone else knows about it.

 

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b18c5 gets all the mad tyte jdm folks drooling </TD></TR></TABLE>

Which is funny since B18C5 isn't JDM.

I don't really care for threads like this, but fine; I think you'll enjoy either setup (provided they are both running properly). But I think you might be able to go a littttle faster on the turbo D-series (compared to stock ITR motor) if your budget is $5000.

 

I love my single stick!!!!!! I have the GReddy kit on my car @ 7psi with the 105300 Zex cam and VTEC kicks pretty hard. I love it! I would definetly stay with the D banger and boost it! That's just me though.

 

I would turbo the D series. like everyone says BOOST GETS YOU LAID! Plus the sound and pull of a turbo cant be beat.

 

wow i cant believe the majority of the votes are for the turbo d. i was under the assumption that HT had more of an n/a fan base.

thanks for all the replies. for a while i was thinking about getting a b16 or b18 to boost. however i cant afford to replace a b-series just in case anything happens. also, ive been through the custom route and for the most part, it sucks. a big reason why i sold the greddy kit was because i was running a custom intercooler setup and had to hack up my front bumper to make the pipes fit.

i guess contrary to what my sig says, i SHALL be boosted yet again

 

turbo d!

 

Im gonna say turbo D. I currently Have a fully built b16, Darton sleeved,pauter rods, wiseco pistons, a built head with CTR cams, sc61 turbo aem ems and the whole nine yards.

Now I would never drive a N/a honda again, but as much as this motor costed me I would never build another turbo b series. in fact I am currently looking for 96-00 Shell to drop my JDM d15b into for a small boosted projected.

at the end of the day a d16 on boost even with stock internals will have the potential to blow the doors of any B series, even with decent mods. Now I would like to think that I am totally unbiased as I have respect for D series as much as B and I own both so when I tell you this I mean it..

Turbo D&gt;All motr B

Better in performance, better in price, better in fun factor, just better all around, Just because your reving to 8k in a c5 doesnt mean your pulling harder. The seat pinning TQ the Turbo D will make, will make a c5 feel like its running on 2 cylinders in comparison. and Still run you less $$$$

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tallywacker &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Me?

None. Stock held up just fine.

Here's a clip, from that car shifting at 8400, and then past :33 I hit 9 grand, in a D16Z6.

http://media.putfile.com/CivicD16Z68400RPM1</TD></TR></TABLE>

Ouch. you took the stock valvetrain almost 2000rpm past the stock revlimiter? You're a lot braver than I am