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Old May 13, 2006 | 02:08 PM
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So i got my car alligned at midas after i lowered it and 3 motnhs later my inside tires are bald on the front. I have a skunk 2 camber kit up front. I got to get it re allinged and they tell me they cand do it because the car has been bottomed out which took the aliignment outa spec. Is that possible with bottoming out?
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Old May 13, 2006 | 02:10 PM
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You didnt check the alignment results? Compare before and after specs?
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Old May 13, 2006 | 02:14 PM
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they wouldnt even check my specs on the allignment without charging me money, and i asked for some sort of record of my first aliignment and they said their printer dosnt work on the allignment machine. DONT TRUST THE MIDAS TOUCH
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Old May 13, 2006 | 02:15 PM
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dude, that's so shady.
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Old May 13, 2006 | 02:17 PM
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so could the allignment get outa spec by bottoming out the car. The only time i really bottomed it out i was goin like 1mph.
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Old May 13, 2006 | 02:18 PM
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at least you can get an alignment. no one around here has a reccessed lift.
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Old May 13, 2006 | 02:19 PM
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Of course they wont do it for free. Time is money in the world of mechanics. We get paid by the job, and I'll tell you right now that I sure as hell would not stop what I was doing to check some whiny kids alignment for free.

And yes, you can damage your car when you bottom out. You obviously don't understand what is underneath it. A shop is not obligated to give you a printout of your alignment specs, and they do not save them. We do between 30 and 60 alignments a week. Do you have any idea how many files we would have to keep just to show morons that we know what we are doing when they come back and whine about something?

So here is what you do. Find out what you broke when you bottomed out, replace the damaged parts and then go get it aligned.

Oh and just because you have a camber kit does not mean that your camber can be adjusted back into spec. Most of the time it can get close but without roll center adjusters you will not have a very good chance of getting it perfect again.
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Old May 13, 2006 | 02:20 PM
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get an allignment from where? wad does a reccesed lift have to do with this?
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Old May 13, 2006 | 02:22 PM
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is it possible for the toe to get screwed up by bottoming out?
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Old May 13, 2006 | 02:22 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turnsignalandy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">wad does a reccesed lift have to do with this?</TD></TR></TABLE>

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Old May 13, 2006 | 02:22 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turnsignalandy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">get an allignment from where? wad does a reccesed lift have to do with this?</TD></TR></TABLE>

It doesn't matter where you get it. Anywhere that offers it. Midas is not screwing you over. You, like most people on the planet just don't understand how a car really works, so you get pissy and assume that you are right and know more than the people whom do it for a living.
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Old May 13, 2006 | 02:23 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by strictly.business &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">at least you can get an alignment. no one around here has a reccessed lift. </TD></TR></TABLE>

A recessed lift? you don't do an alignment on a lift. And I bet you can get your car on an alignment rack, its jsut a ramp.
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Old May 13, 2006 | 02:30 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDM-97CX &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A recessed lift? you don't do an alignment on a lift. And I bet you can get your car on an alignment rack, its jsut a ramp.</TD></TR></TABLE>

yea...is that why the mechaic almost brojke my bumper
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Old May 13, 2006 | 02:34 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by k20eg66 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yea...is that why the mechaic almost brojke my bumper</TD></TR></TABLE>


So since you are obviously smarter than mechanics and know more about this than me, why dont you find a recessed life capable of an alignment.

Go away.
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Old May 13, 2006 | 02:34 PM
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k so answer my question, could the toe get outa spec if the car was bottomed out.
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Old May 13, 2006 | 02:40 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turnsignalandy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">k so answer my question, could the toe get outa spec if the car was bottomed out.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I did answer your question. Try reading.


YES IT CAN GO OUT OF SPEC BY YOU BOTTOMING OUT. BUT if you have wear on the inside of your tires than that is a CAMBER ISSUE. FIX YOU ****, then get it aligned.

Clear enough for you?
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Old May 13, 2006 | 02:45 PM
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Save the drama for your mamma.
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Old May 13, 2006 | 02:46 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by LyghtFunky1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Save the drama for your mamma.</TD></TR></TABLE>


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Old May 13, 2006 | 02:47 PM
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The if its a chamber issue explain this. My rear wheels are visibaly slightly tilted, and the tires are wearing pretty damn even. My front wheels do not look tilted at all and the tires are bald on the inside.
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Old May 13, 2006 | 02:50 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turnsignalandy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The if its a chamber issue explain this. My rear wheels are visibaly slightly tilted, and the tires are wearing pretty damn even. My front wheels do not look tilted at all and the tires are bald on the inside. </TD></TR></TABLE>


Were your tires rotated? Were they allready worn that way?

You obviously don't understand what alignment angles actually are. Incorrect toe will cause a scrubbing or feathering wear ALL the way across the tire. Camber will cause either inside or outside edge tire wear.
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Old May 13, 2006 | 02:56 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDM-97CX &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I did answer your question. Try reading.


YES IT CAN GO OUT OF SPEC BY YOU BOTTOMING OUT. BUT if you have wear on the inside of your tires than that is a CAMBER ISSUE. FIX YOU ****, then get it aligned.

Clear enough for you?</TD></TR></TABLE>

inside tire wear is more of a toe issue than a camber issue. camber does play a role in it though
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Old May 13, 2006 | 03:00 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ADVAN EG2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">inside tire wear is more of a toe issue than a camber issue. camber does play a role in it though</TD></TR></TABLE>


No it's not. In any way at all. I do this for a living. Every day I see this stuff and have to diagnose it. You show me how toe can cause smooth wear on one edge of a tire only.

You probalby think caster causes tire wear too don't you? I'm sick of know it alls.
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Old May 13, 2006 | 03:02 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDM-97CX &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">


No it's not. In any way at all. I do this for a living. Every day I see this stuff and have to diagnose it. You show me how toe can cause smooth wear on one edge of a tire only.

You probalby think caster causes tire wear too don't you? I'm sick of know it alls.</TD></TR></TABLE>

okay mr. you're so fucken smart you can't fucken believe it.

NO ONE F'CKEN SAID HE HAD SMOOTH TIRE WEAR. so STFU and get over yourself.
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Old May 13, 2006 | 03:05 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ADVAN EG2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">okay mr. you're so fucken smart you can't fucken believe it.

NO ONE F'CKEN SAID HE HAD SMOOTH TIRE WEAR. so STFU and get over yourself.</TD></TR></TABLE>


I get paid to know this stuff. He said he had wear on the inside edge of his tire, he didn't say that it was featherd, cupped or scrubbed. He also said his car was lowered, which causes negative camber. Toe causes feathering across the tire. So you can whine and swear all you want. Go ahead get all pissed off. Your wrong, I'm right. And until you can prove otherwise, which you can't, that is the way it is going to be.

Grow up.
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Old May 13, 2006 | 03:09 PM
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i was just checkin the tire wear on da front. seems like the outside edge is evenly worn and the inside ednge evenly worn as well. But like i said, the front wheels visibably dont look tilted, and if there was slight camber i dont think it would bald my insides over 2 months. I put a penny in the thread to chech the wear on the outside edge of ther front tires. With the penny so that licolns head was upside down the thread came up to his head.
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