I'm not talking about coilovers to drop ur car and make it look nice, I'm talking about actual suspension improvements to make your car take turns better. I'm not looking to flame anybody, or get flamed, I'm just really inquizitive about this, it kinda bewilders me. Like this thread:
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread/1624859
Sorry, I am not meaning to pick on you or anything, it's just the example that made me really start wondering about it?
What's the purpose of it? Most of the people who install these don't take their cars to the track, and if they do, it's usually a drag strip, where yeah, the suspension helps a lot, but the money would be better spent dropping a turbo in it if you know what I'm sayin.. I'm just trying to figure out why people do these massive +grand suspension jobs for everyday use..yeah I realize w/ a sway bar that's not dropped (if you drop a car too much you can't adjust the cambers enough because of the sway bar) and a 4 wheel alignement u'll get an extra...2% out of ur tires..but I mean, is there any other reason?

Yeah, again, I'm sorry if this sounds "noob", or if it sounds like I'm flaming, but it just confuses the **** outta me. I mean I can definately see it if you regularly take ur car to tracks w/ turns and such (circuit types), but I just can't see the everyday usage out of how much money they cost.. Any help?

 

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First off, how do you know what they use their car for? Secondly, suspension helps A TON at the drag strip along with the track, not only that but suspension improvements make the car more fun even on the street. The piece you singled out is a rear subframe brace that strengthens the rear subframe, some people have experienced subframe tearout with a strong rear sway bar so it's kind of a preventative thing of sorts along with making the rear stronger/less likely to move making the car more reactive when turning.

Suspension is basically horsepower for the turns.

 

you should post this in the suspension forum.

ill give you an example. my crx has nice suspension: tein springs, tokico shocks, z10 crossmember, ST sway bars, full poly kit etc and going down the strip is no joy ride at 115mph, im fighting the wheel the whole way down. there is no way i would make it with stock suspension. its a LOT of fun on the street now too.

 

i honestly dont see the point of a LOT of the mods people do to improve handling. For example my hatch back has struts and springs, and that is it. no sway bars, nothing fancy. my wife bought me some strut tower bars for christmas one year so i put those on, but i havnet seen much that they really do. I am even on cheap *** ebay springs.
Regardless I still cut 1.7 60 foots with 170whp, and run 13 second 1/4 miles at just over 100 mph without having to rally struggle with it at all.

 

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i cant tell on mine either..

 

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That right there is the most un-credible part of your post. You know nothing about suspensions, you're not in any position to ask the question why people spend thousands of dollars

 

lol this is funny... lowering your car = better handling... i totally feel it... used to have to brake whenever i'd do left turn with stock springs and shocks, with my new setup i can gas into them and have more confidence i'm not going to be a part of the other lane or a wall or something because the grip is more accurate and there's less "leaning"

 

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wtf is ur suspension setup.. cuz the expletive if i can do that...

 

Suspension does make a big difference, my car used to feel kind of unstable at high speeds, now it just takes it like nothing. Also, i have just intalled springs, looking forward to getting the rear sway bar. Also, sway bars do make a big difference, my cousin has a dx,same year, and it drives like crap, mine on the other hand has the sway bar and it is like night and day! Also, concerning autox, i am looking forward to attending once i get the sway, shocks, and poly bushings.

 

you ever hear of solo2 autocross? if not check it out.

 

Haha, if you guys believe spending a lot of money on suspension is useless, then drive a stock Civic and make a high speed turn. You'll roll the **** out of it. And then drive a Civic with suspension set up for autocross, you'll see why people spend money on suspension.

 

You'll understand when you have a REAL suspension set up. Its a good feeling having great handling and control of your car. You'll enjoy doing fast turns also =-)

 

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i agree

 

its not easy to make civics fast (some may not agree), but its easy to make them handle well.
theres nothing better than out turning some car riding on your back. also, lowering a car changes the appearance tenfold... its probably the best appearance mod you can do to it.

also, cars are a hobby to some people... modding is just part of it. just like any other hobby you spend money doing stuff with whatever it is.

 

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yeah but most girls hate it. i kind of got sick of the ride too, ditched my koni gc/s for some tokicos and lowering springs. if i go autocross it doesn't take that long to swap them on and off.

 

Altering the suspension is all a part of turning an economy car into a sports car.

-Stiffer springs give better road holding w/ less body roll and allow a lower ride height and can alter over/under-steer
-Stiffer shocks allow you to use stiffer springs without bouncing down the road
-Adjustable shocks can be made to work with a larger range of spring rates and can alter over/under-steer
-Sway bars give less body roll without harsher ride quality and can alter over/under-steer
-Extended upper mounts allow you to lower more without breaking your shocks
-Chassis reinforcement allow the suspension to do its job more accurately
-sub-frame braces keep larger sway-bars from tearing out
-Stiffer bushings allow more precise control of suspension movement under load
-Aluminum Lower Control Arms add thousands of horsepower (j/k )

I agree that some people spend too much money on crap they don't need or use, but every one of these things has a clearly defined purpose. It's just up to the end user to figure out if it's for them or not.

 

94eg! well said

That alone should answer the OP's question

 

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Do you have cheap eBay strut bars as well? If so, there is your problem. I ran with out my 3 pt password strutbar, and once I put it on, big difference..

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Yea all I am running is stechs/kyb agx/itr rear sway/passwordjdm 3 pt strut bar and I have a hay day on the streets. Even with 14" steelies

 

I never said that suspension was useless..stop turning my ******* words around...

I'm talking about these people who don't race, don't drag, don't do anything except drive their cars daily, and they put these expensive *** suspension setups for them

 

define expensive ***? 1k+?

 

Why mod at all? The reasons are the same.

 

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I'm talking about these people who don't race, don't drag, don't do anything except drive their cars daily, and they put these expensive *** suspension setups for them</TD></TR></TABLE>

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I'm just preparing for track use. So, I don't fit your stereotype.

 

because they want to!

you my think its dumb or stupid, but the fact is it is there money, or some one is giving them money, so they can do whatever they want with it.

The fact of the matter is that nothing beats seat time, in terms of making you or what your driving faster. But for some they want to spend money on suspension.

sometimes i don't understand it either but, eh whatever

 

screw the women! if a girl complained in my car that i have a better seat than her and that my car is "stiff" then i tell her to get the hell out and find a new ride. then she shuts up and i'm happy

and suspension is a BIG HELP. go on one of those big turn onramps to a freeway and floor it. feels goood.