Hi guys, I've done some searches, but haven't found any pertaining to the rear end of the car sliding out while cornering. I currently have the Omni Powers with 12k front and 10k rear, and I've been driving with them for about a year now, and have realized the tail like to come out every time i corner hard. Once my rear end completely lost traction. Is there anyone I can fix this problem??? Or should i just opt for a better set of coilovers. I have planned on getting a bigger swaybar, but feel as if that would add to the problem. The car is a 2000 Civic Em1. Thanks for your time.

 

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Yes, easily and for free. Stop driving like an idiot on the street.

 

Thanks for reminding me of how unhelpful people are on Honda-Tech, for you information I corner hard at AutoX and Open Track Day events. Thanks being a dick tho. Is there anyone in the suspension forum that actually knows their stuff?

 

The problem is probably not the car, but rather the driver practicing poor driving technique.

Seriously.

Learn how to drive.

 

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Seriously.

Learn how to drive.</TD></TR></TABLE>

correct, i heard if you let gas go or light braking during hard/high speed turn, rear end will loose traction. post in auto-x forum for driving technique.

 

thanks for the advice/help. But is trail braking considered poor technique?

 

i have the same suspension on my ek hatch, i must say i dont experience what u are talking about. the rear is very well planted and i only spin out if i enter corners way too hot. you may be shockloading the car to much in corners. try to be smoother.

 

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Thanks MX, Yeah i feel as if i'm probably rushing into corners after having read some other post by people in the autoX forum, but my car feels as if all the weight leaves the rear end as I hit the apex, is this due to trailbraking?? Either way thanks again for making helpful posts

 

It seems as though you're entering turns with too much weight over the front wheels. So, given the circumstances (as I don't know how the courses are setup by you), I'd recommend entering turns at a steeper angle, and braking sooner. That way, you can accelerate earlier in the turn and put more weight over the rear wheels. I don't think it's your suspension causing this loss of traction, as much as it is cornering techniques.

If you get the chance to practice some techniques, without being timed, I'd recommend taking one of the sharper corners on the course over and over again, until you can find a happy medium between overall speed, fluidity, and momentum. A jerky turn (one that involves a lot of step braking), will yield terrible exit speeds. The key would be to start with a turning speed that's manageable, and then slowly add speed to your momentum, to optimize braking and acceleration times. You probably won't be able to do this for every turn, but practicing on one can truly boost one's performance overall. I hate to drone on the fact that practice makes perfect, but it does work quite well.

Best of luck.

 

what does your alignment look like?

trail braking is ok, but if it is making the car oversteer, (and you think that is what is causing the oversteer, trailbraking) then don't do it. Different driving tech differ but trailbraking is normallly not somthing you do in all corner.

brake in a stright line.................

turn in and get on the gas

If you lift on the gas durning the turn the car will tend to step out, so keep your foot on the gas, if it does oversteer keep you foot on the gas because lifting is going to make you loop it.

At your next DE get an instructor or at autoX get a fast guy to ride with you and listen to what they have to say.

I would probably stop trailbraking so much though

 

thanks for the detailed responses. Couldn't have asked for more

 

Best of luck on your next event.

 

My EM1 did that when I had Energy Suspension polyurethane trailing arm bushings in it. I'm guessing the trailing arms were binding when I cornered hard. Going back to rubber bushings fixed the problem.