so heres a question... im a little confused on

ASR subframe brace with whatever swaybar

is it legal to use?

or is it a mod that will bump u up a class...

im confused i hear different things

thx!

 

I'd like to find out the truth too. I currently have a 22mm ITR rear sway bar with the Beaks Kit. I'm planning on ordering the ASR brace within the next week or so.

 

What class are you looking to be in?

Rear sway bars or braces aren't allowed in Stock Classes, so obviously you're not planning on those classes.

 

My carbon fiber hood and gutted rear seats/trunk put me in E Prepared.

 

The issues seem to be moving the sway bar attachment points and adding a lower suspension brace which also holds the sway bar mounts.

The sway bar seems to meet the sway bar restrictions...
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">14.7 Anti-Sway Bars
Substitution, addition, or removal of any anti-roll bar(s) is permitted. Bushing material, [b]method of attachment, and locating points are unrestricted[b]. Components such as anti-roll bars and strut housings that serve dual purposes by also functioning as suspension locators may not be modified in ways that change the suspension geometry or steering geometry. Non-standard lateral members which connect between the brackets for the bar are notpermitted.</TD></TR></TABLE>

The problem I see is that the brace is attaching in more than just the 2 points.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Suspension 14.8.L
Strut bars are permitted with all types of suspension. Strut bars may be mounted only transversely across the car from upper right to upper left suspension mounting point and from lower right to lower left suspension mounting point. No other configuration is permitted. Additional holes may be drilled for mounting bolts. Only bolt-on attachment is permitted. Interior trim panels may be modified to allow installation of strut bars. Holes or slots may be no larger than necessary and may serve no other purpose. This does not permit any modifications to the frame or unibody beyond the allowed mounting holes.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I would say this isn't legal for STS.

 

I would say it is legal in Prepared Categories...

This covers the brace attaching in more than 2 points....
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Prepared Category 17.2.B Bodywork and Structure
Chassis, frame, or subframe may be reinforced, provided components and attachments are not relocated except where specifically permitted. Reinforcing does not authorize the use of belly pans forward of the firewall, or aft of the front edge of the rear wheel opening. It is permitted to have jack points recessed into the rocker panels, or to have one tube per side extending downward through the bottom of the door, provided they do not extend beyond the overall width of the car or in an unsafe or dangerous manner. No part of the bodywork or chassis, to the rear of the front wheel opening, shall touch the ground when both tires on the same side of the car are deflated.</TD></TR></TABLE>

This covers the sway bar attachement...
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Prepared Category 17.7 Anti-Roll (Sway) Bar
Any anti roll bar, camber compensating device, panhard rod, watts linkage, and/or other suspension stabilizer is permitted. Attachment points of such components are unrestricted.</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

Thanks...That's what I was thinking. I should be ordering my ASR bar soon.

 

Here is a link to a thread on SCCA Forums regarding this topic. I don't see the difference with the ST piece though.

 

nice... still a little confused... for FSP... i still wouldnt be able to run the asr piece without jumping up a whole new class?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vietnameeh &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">nice... still a little confused... for FSP... i still wouldnt be able to run the asr piece without jumping up a whole new class?</TD></TR></TABLE>I would agree with that. This piece seems to jump you to Prepared.

 

eh not worth it to me right now... im already getting owned in FSP lol

 

the thing is it is not a strut bar. Its a brace for the sub frame. the rule you posted adress strut bars

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slammed_93_hatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the thing is it is not a strut bar. Its a brace for the sub frame. the rule you posted adress strut bars</TD></TR></TABLE>I guess I was referring to the brace as a "tie bar", similar to the DC Sports lower tie bar. In that case, it is covered under strut bars that go from point to point of the suspension as far as I can tell.

Does this "brace" attach at more points than the 2 inner lower control arm points?

 

doesnt it use sway bar mounting the subframe and the lca points... so that serves as dual purpose doesnt it

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mugenlude &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Does this "brace" attach at more points than the 2 inner lower control arm points?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes...the four D-bracket bolts go thru the brace and the subframe too.

http://www.georgebelton.com/6g...x.php

 

ok it attaches at 2 points (passanger and drive side LCA bolt were the LCA attaches to the subframe). They SWAY BAR attachments, which are unrestricted, go threw the brace. which is fine.


but i just noticed something Non-standard lateral members which connect between the brackets for the bar are notpermitted.

Maybe i might be missreading somthing but would you consider the ASR or comptech peace to be just that a "non-standared lateral member"

 

So have we decided that it's "legal" for Prepared class. That's all I want to be sure of.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slammed_93_hatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Non-standard lateral members which connect between the brackets for the bar are notpermitted.

Maybe i might be missreading somthing but would you consider the ASR or comptech piece to be just that a "non-standared lateral member"</TD></TR></TABLE>

I think thats how its being interpreted, that they are "non-standared lateral members"

 

I can't find anything wrong with the comptech setup. The only rule it was in violation of was the "non-standard lateral members" but since Andy Hollis got a letter specifically stating the ST setup was okay the Comptech unit shouldn't have any problem either.

The biggest hangup with the whole thing seems to be people's idea of what a strut bar is. There are a lot of presumptions made that aren't necessarily true.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RineRacing &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I can't find anything wrong with the comptech setup. The only rule it was in violation of was the "non-standard lateral members" but since Andy Hollis got a letter specifically stating the ST setup was okay the Comptech unit shouldn't have any problem either.

The biggest hangup with the whole thing seems to be people's idea of what a strut bar is. There are a lot of presumptions made that aren't necessarily true.</TD></TR></TABLE>


would that be the same with the ASR setup in your opinion?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RineRacing &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I can't find anything wrong with the comptech setup. The only rule it was in violation of was the "non-standard lateral members" but since Andy Hollis got a letter specifically stating the ST setup was okay the Comptech unit shouldn't have any problem either.

The biggest hangup with the whole thing seems to be people's idea of what a strut bar is. There are a lot of presumptions made that aren't necessarily true.</TD></TR></TABLE>

thanks for clearing that up, and ya i agree with the strut bar thing,

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slammed_93_hatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">but i just noticed something Non-standard lateral members which connect between the brackets for the bar are notpermitted.

Maybe i might be missreading somthing but would you consider the ASR or comptech peace to be just that a "non-standared lateral member"</TD></TR></TABLE>The way I see it too.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vietnameeh &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">would that be the same with the ASR setup in your opinion?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes, but I'm not a rule maker

I'm not saying it's 100% okay, but I run the Comptech unit on my car and I think I have enough evidence to win any protest against it.

 

well its ok to run until... u get the old winners that arent winning anymore to complain right

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RineRacing &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yes, but I'm not a rule maker

I'm not saying it's 100% okay, but I run the Comptech unit on my car and I think I have enough evidence to win any protest against it.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Actually both comptech and ASR should be illegal in ST/SP/SM categories. There was a thread over at sccaforums telling why in detail. Basically it is because it is reinforcing the subframe and it doesnt say you can do that in the rules.

Of course there have been no protests of either that I know of.