I had my buddy's s2000 for few days and i really love the way it handles. like how it turns into corner so sharply.

and i just got my car back today and the steering feel is so dull and not sensitive as S2000. i know they are two totally different cars FWD/RWD

what can i do to incress the shapeness in turns? how would the toe set up be?

any comments appericated

 

I really like the crip turn in response of the S2000's as well. Have you ever driven any Mazda's? They all feel very tight. I believe it has to do with bushings and toe out to increase turn in.

 

s2000 has that super sharp and quick turn in cornering ability because the weight distribution of the car is 50:50. Since ITR or Civic is heavier in the front, you can't really get that kind of handling.. But you can improve it by having good suspensions, tires, sway bars..

 

the cars are just completely different. youre going to spin your head trying to compare them.

what i have noticed about the steering of the S2000 is that the steering ratio is just really quick. whenever i go between my crx and s2000, i always have to adjust in the middle of the turn. if i go from the crx to s2000, i find myself turning in way too quick and having to let out the steering so i dont clip the curb. vice versa going from the s to the crx.

as for handling, the s2000 is just too good. the 50/50 weight ratio is near perfect on theS. but its not ideal for a FF setup, so the integra shouldnt be 50/50 anyway even if it could. the true double wishbone setup FRONT AND REAR in the S just provides awesome road response.

really, you just cant compare.

 

i know it handles really good but yeah dont get me wrong my ITR does handle good too but not just as responsive steering as the s2k ... yeah i agree on the faster steering ratio on S2000 makes it feel that way too

but yeah i loved the s2000 alot

 

quiafe makes a quicker steering rack and pinion for the integra. might want to look into that.

http://www.kingmotorsports.com...nsion

 

You might think about all new bushings up front, lighter wheels with really good rubber, frame locks, and something like the J's racing inner fender braces and roll center ajusters. after alll that the car should have greatly improved tun in.

You could also try increasing camber.

 

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I don't believe the Quaife rack (3.25 turns L-T-L) is as quick as the 00-01 Integra rack. If he has an older ITR he may want to get a newer Integra rack.

 

The Quaife rack & pinion set is only for manual steering gearboxes. He would need to do a 92-95 Civic gearbox swap before he could use it. The OP never really mentioned what car he has. I guess from his name we can assume he drives an ITR.

The ITR has a dedicated mechanical power steering pump, that supplies constant power. This would be a major source of your mushy lack of feedback. The S2000 uses an electric PS pump that is off most of the time. This gives the S2000 crisp solid manual steering feed-back with a good amount of heft (but easy parking maneuvers).

You may want to look into disabling your PS, or swapping out a manual steering gearbox with the Quaife rack & pinion. The only drawback would be increased steering effort during parking etc...

 

If the 00-01 rack specs are:

Steering Ratio - 16.1:1
Steering Wheel Turns, lock-to-lock - 2.98

How is the Quaife going to be quicker?

I'm asking because I've been trying to decide which way to go. I'm leaning toward an 00-01 Integra rack with power steering removal, referring to the thread below.

https://honda-tech.com/zero...age=1

 

oh, i never knew 00-01 integra had different steering ratio. i dont know much about integras anyway. just crx. and crx dont have power steering anyway...

 

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Every place that I've seen the rack & pinion for sale says it's for a manual rack only. Personally I think that Quaife's website is crap, and their info on their products really sucks. It took an awful long time for everybody to gather up credible information. Quaife's e-mail responses were full of erroneous information, as was their website. I personally received several e-mails with conflicting data (regarding L2L, pilot bearing presence, etc). It took months for them just to correct the misinformation about L2L on their own web-pages & catalog (EG/DC & EF L2L was switched). Make sure to do a little more research about everything before your purchase, because it could seriously effect your decision...

I also notice that Quaife's stupid website still doesn't make mention that the CRX/EF rack & pinion does NOT work on an Si steering gearbox (without modification). I think they just don't care...

 

^^ I removed that quote because I had not closely read the entire paragraph on the webpage. I was wrong...and their info is crap.

Yeah, one of my EGs had a 00-01 rack (that happened to be from an ITR), and let me tell you I still think about the way that thing would turn, compared to my current stock 1993 SI rack. That EG was stolen Christmas '03.

 

yeah my car is 2001 ITR.. running rota slips with Kumho Mx.
running revalved omni power sports coilovers and camber kit on all 4 corners

so the one at kingsmotor is not for power steering . hrmm

 

You could try a vented steering rack. I have one on my race car and it improved the road feel greatly, without making it nealy impossiable to turn the steering wheel in a parking lot.

 

Stiffer rear spring rates, larger rear bar, and a little bit of toe out up front will help your car turn in. I have 450lb rear springs, with 400lb up front, 22mm bar, and very little toe out. My setup feels nice. You really can't compare these two cars, but you can make your Integra turn in quite sharply.