hi, i was wondering if you guys could help me list the ways we could eliminate the loose steering the ek hatches. All of you who have driven a ek hatch should know what im talking about. The play in the steering and the poor steering response and turn of our cars.

first off an aliament should help a lot if the aliament is off, but whats next?

front sway bars, struts bars? what are the things that effectivelly make turn in a lot better??

thx..

 

stiffer susupension and sway bar in the front and back will help, but ULTIMATELY you would have to change out your rack and pinion. It's the steering ratio of the hatch that makes the steering response feel "mushy".

 

Step 1: buy a rebuilt power steering rack from any internet place
Step 2: buy poly bushings
Step 3: buy parts to recirculate PS rack
Step 4: install & enjoy

It will be a bit stiffer, but so much quicker and more direct feel. I did it on my EF, night and day difference.

 

then you would haveta do a power steering conversion because ek hatches didnt come with power steering. i bought the full EMracing.com kit 5 bars in total and a password jdm front strut tower bar along with my omni power coilovers and i went to an auto cross the other day and was pulling better times then S2000 and keeping up with worked porches. i love my suspension setup and would vouch for it 100%


just go to emracing.com and get the 5 bars for the ek hatch setup its a c-pillar bar,the c-pillar triangular bar, the rear strut bar, the rear strut triangular bar, and the rear floor bar.

those made more than a night and day difference in my hatch

 

your joking right?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HiProfile &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Step 1: buy a rebuilt power steering rack from any internet place
Step 2: buy poly bushings
Step 3: buy parts to recirculate PS rack
Step 4: install & enjoy

It will be a bit stiffer, but so much quicker and more direct feel. I did it on my EF, night and day difference.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i &lt;3 my looped ps rack

 

hmm.. but my civic hatch doesn't come with power steering in order to loop it?

unless your implying i should swap mine out for a power steering rack and then loop it.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by LazyNip &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hmm.. but my civic hatch doesn't come with power steering in order to loop it?

unless your implying i should swap mine out for a power steering rack and then loop it.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes they are implying that you buy a PS steering gearbox & loop the pump line fittings. Then to relieve the air pressure inside the gearbox, you have to run a T fitting from one of the other fluid lines to a breather/catch can. This allows the air to move easily back forth from one side of the gearbox to the other as you turn the wheel. If you don't connect the lines to a breather, the PS gearbox will be more difficult to turn...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by R-Lug &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">stiffer susupension and sway bar in the front and back will help, but ULTIMATELY you would have to change out your rack and pinion. It's the steering ratio of the hatch that makes the steering response feel "mushy". </TD></TR></TABLE>


i have really loose steering in my civic coupe 96. i was wondering the same.

what steering rack would you get? integra?

 

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i have really loose steering in my civic coupe 96. i was wondering the same.

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Go to Kingmotorsports.com and look for the Quaife Quick Ratio rack for EK's. Just rebuild your rack using that... it's simply the best. I swear

 

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There is no such thing...

 

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There is no such thing... </TD></TR></TABLE>

My bad, you'll have to change to an EG subframe.

http://kingmotorsports.com/cat...nsion

 

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My bad, you'll have to change to an EG subframe.

http://kingmotorsports.com/cat...nsion</TD></TR></TABLE>


eg subframe? darn,

i'm gonna replace the inner and outer tie rods on the car...anyone know if dc inner/outer tie rods will work? maybe this will improve the way the car responds.

i have new ones sitting in the garage.

 

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that quaife sees that there is alot of us EK guys sufering with the stock steering and finaly make one!

 

Whitelightening: Does your car have manual or power steering?

I test-drove a 99 CX hatch with manual steering & couldn't believe how heavy the wheel felt. I own a 89 Si and an 94 CX, and both those cars feel way lighter but still have good steering response (both have manual racks too). If you have power steering, you could mabey switch to a manual rack from the 6th gen civic (bolt-in). I seriously doubt an EG subframe would fit in an EK because they are both completely different....

EG subframe:


EK subframe:

 

94eg!,

i have a power steering rack ...might have to do the manual...but dont really want to

i'll replace the tie rods and lower ball joints, re-align it and see what that does...that should be pretty quick.

my setup is eibach w/tokico struts with si rear sway bar, lower tie bar, front and rear upper strut bars...handles like crap.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 94eg! &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Whitelightening: Does your car have manual or power steering?

I test-drove a 99 CX hatch with manual steering & couldn't believe how heavy the wheel felt. I own a 89 Si and an 94 CX, and both those cars feel way lighter but still have good steering response (both have manual racks too). If you have power steering, you could mabey switch to a manual rack from the 6th gen civic (bolt-in). I seriously doubt an EG subframe would fit in an EK because they are both completely different....

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EG subframe does fit, you'll have to use EG/DC lca's and suspension set up, but it does work. alot of ppl are using eg subframe for their k20 swaps into an EK b/c the EG subframe sits the motor higher and also further back to give more room where the radiator is. It's been done. It's all plug and play.

http://www.k20a.org/forum/showthread.php?t=11043

EK with EG subframe combined with Quaife Quick ratio rack is awesome

 

if your swapping for an eg subframe, you might as well use an integra rack. they have the best ratio.

 

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i was wondering if the integra rack would work...this is the 94-01 racks? direct bolt in?

 

my 92 civic already had power steering so it was a bolt in. you also need an integra coupler that connects the rack to the steering column if your integra rack didnt come with one. also the civic has 3 lines and integras only have 2. i just plugged the extra opening on the resevoir and removed the 3rd line. you also need to slightly bend one of the lines to fit into the rack.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by R-Lug &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">EG subframe does fit, you'll have to use EG/DC lca's and suspension set up, but it does work. alot of ppl are using eg subframe for their k20 swaps into an EK b/c the EG subframe sits the motor higher and also further back to give more room where the radiator is. It's been done. It's all plug and play.</TD></TR></TABLE>

DAMN! That's some seriously good hybrid work right there. Thanks for the info. One question though, I always thought the 92-95 & 96-00 (non Si) LCAs were the same (or at least interchangable). Is that not true?

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i have a power steering rack </TD></TR></TABLE>

You should try disconnecting your PS before you try replacing everything. A lot of integra guys have really positive things to say about it (increased feedback & stability). According to Realtime-Racing, you must loop the fluid input/output on the steering rack, and then vent the hard lines on the rack to a breather can (you can use the OEM fluid resivore). This still leaves you with some fluid inside the rack for lubrication. But when you turn the wheel, your only pushing air back & forth from the breather tank...

 

^ also have seen the huge thread about venting the rack. i've considered doing it, but im not sure of the effects on the long-term life of the rack.

 

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DAMN! That's some seriously good hybrid work right there. Thanks for the info. One question though, I always thought the 92-95 & 96-00 (non Si) LCAs were the same (or at least interchangable). Is that not true?
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Well, yes it's true, BUT... even though it does bolt up, it's going to throw your caster off if you switch chassis parts from EK to EG

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The reason why it's better to use an EG rack instead of an Teg is because an EG rack is manual. So if you want to manual you would have to use EG rack paired with Quaife quick ratio. yes you could Teg rack but then you woud have to do what's been stating above and loop the rack which isn't so bad, BUT will wear out sooner and you'll get alot of play in your rack. EG manual mated to Quaife quick ratio is the best combo HANDS DOWN

 

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Really... Thats pretty interesting though. Do any of you guys know how caster would be effected if EK LCAs were installed on an EG (no subframe)?

I ask because I am interested in trying out added positive caster on my street EG. I know you can swap UCAs left-to-right to add caster, but I also know doing so severly reduces clearance between the shock towers & UCAs. My car is pretty low, and that is a major concern for me. That would be VERY iteresting news if you could add positive caster by swaping LCAs...

It would slightly increase wheelbase too (instead of decreasing like with a UCA swap)...

 

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Really... Thats pretty interesting though. Do any of you guys know how caster would be effected if EK LCAs were installed on an EG (no subframe)?

I ask because I am interested in trying out added positive caster on my street EG. I know you can swap UCAs left-to-right to add caster, but I also know doing so severly reduces clearance between the shock towers & UCAs. My car is pretty low, and that is a major concern for me. That would be VERY iteresting news if you could add positive caster by swaping LCAs...

It would slightly increase wheelbase too (instead of decreasing like with a UCA swap)...</TD></TR></TABLE>

That topic has been brought up as well. Unfortunately, it will add negative caster instead of positive caster if you were to use EK lcas on an EG. Trust me.. if EK lcas do add positive caster then I'm sure everyone with EGs would want EK lcas