I have a 91 Integra LS. I'd like to upgrade my rear sway bar. A Type R sway bar is a cheap way to do this.

However, I have also purchased Koni Yellow Type R rear struts and 88 CRX LCA's so that I can install them.

My question is, now that I'm changing the LCA's, will other integra sway bars, such as Type R, GSR, or Suspension Techniques for my DA, etc., still "bolt on", or will I need further mod?

I understand I need to reinforce the body where the new larger sway bar bolts on so no need to cover that.

Thanks for clearing this up! If you can.

 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by themilman &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have a 91 Integra LS. I'd like to upgrade my rear sway bar. A Type R sway bar is a cheap way to do this.

However, I have also purchased Koni Yellow Type R rear struts and 88 CRX LCA's so that I can install them.

My question is, now that I'm changing the LCA's, will other integra sway bars, such as Type R, GSR, or Suspension Techniques for my DA, etc., still "bolt on", or will I need further mod?

I understand I need to reinforce the body where the new larger sway bar bolts on so no need to cover that.

Thanks for clearing this up! If you can. </TD></TR></TABLE>

It looks to me that absolutely NONE of the stuff you have will work on your vehicle. The 90-93 DA integras have a special length rear LCA. They are not interchangeable with Civic/CRX/Sol or DC rear LCAs. That means you won't be able to use the CRX LCAs or the ITR shocks.

The other thing is that the rear sway-bar on a DA integra has a completely different mounting system from an ITR. I don't know if you can adapt the ITR rear bar to even fit. If it is possible, you don't have to worry about the sub-frame because the rear sway-bar of a DA integra does NOT mount to it (like the DC/EG/EK). It uses L-shaped brackets that mount directly to the frame rails...

Looks like it's time to do some more research...

 

i saw a diy for installing an itr bar on a da a while back, it looked very involved and iirc had a bit of fab work.

it can be done, but too much work imo

 

Thanks. I did do research. Many people use ITR reart struts on DA integra's. Very common. You need either ITR rear LCA's or 88 CRX LCA's to do this. I'm replacing my DA LCA's with 88 CRX LCA's which allows me to use the ITR rear struts with my 91 DA.

I'm not asking about that, only if ITR rear sway, which people also often use with DA Integras, will work with the 88 CRX LCA's.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by themilman &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thanks. I did do research. Many people use ITR reart struts on DA integra's. Very common. You need either ITR rear LCA's or 88 CRX LCA's to do this. I'm replacing my DA LCA's with 88 CRX LCA's which allows me to use the ITR rear struts with my 91 DA. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Well before you do that, you should compare them side by side to make sure they are the same length. I was under the impression they are not...

 

You're right, they are not the same length. I can use the 88 CRX LCA's with ITR struts, not sure about the sway bar yet.

Some other info I found:

ITR LCAs are interchangeable with any JDM DA/DC/EG/EK and also the 88 USDM EF LCA HOWEVER only the Si model had a sway bar. So the ones from other models don't have the provisions for sway bar endlinks. Drilling holes would be required.

Still searching, G2IC.com has lots of good info, scanning old threads though is like wading through some alien weed vine, tiresome.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by themilman &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ITR LCAs are interchangeable with any JDM DA/DC/EG/EK and also the 88 USDM EF LCA</TD></TR></TABLE>
They are most definitely not interchangeable with "EK" LCAs other than the CTR.

Why don't you just get the proper 8041-1201 rear dampers?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by themilman &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You're right, they are not the same length. </TD></TR></TABLE>

If they are not the same length, then they should NOT be used. If they ITR ones are shorter (which I assume they are), your not going to be able to get the alignment done right. And even if you could, it would result in a narrower track width in the rear. Not to mention trailing arm bushings that are always being pulled inward (leading to premature wear/failure).

Just because some website says it will work, doesn't mean it does...

 

Heres a pic of the LCA from different Integras.



For the rear sway bar, ASR just came out with their kit for the DA

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread/1616906

If you want some Koni yellows, I have a brand NEW set never used for sale. If interested, PM me

 

Woah! The DA ones are even shorter than the EG/DC ones...

Same concerns still apply (plus increased negative camber)...

 

i dunno. somethings not right about that pic.

i know FOR SURE, usdm DA control arms are a bit longer than usdm EF control arms.

im pretty sure EF and EG arms are of the same length, not 100%.

now i'm even less confident EG arms are the same as DC arms, but i thought that was true too.

which would mean DA arms should be longer than DC arms...

so that picture isnt quite making sense. hmmm... im gonna need to do my own independent research...


anyway, what ppl are saying is that while different control arms FIT, theyre not quite interchangeable as they arent all equal length and geometry. i can say as a true general statement, usdm DA rear control arms are not similar to any other model arm in geometry. particularly the shock bushing placement on the DA arms, and the length is longer than EF arms.

 

I have personally compared my non sway EG LCAs with my DC LCAs. The are identicle lengths & all three bushings are in identicle positions.

I was also under the impression that the USDM ITR LCA was the exact same part as the USDM 88 CRX LCA & The JDM EG6 Sir2 LCA.

I agree there must be something up with that pic. I don't know jack about photography, but mabey it's a wide angle lens or something...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 94eg! &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have personally compared my non sway EG LCAs with my DC LCAs. The are identicle lengths & all three bushings are in identicle positions.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i believe ive done that as well, but my memory is bad so i dont rely on it. honestly.


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I was also under the impression that the USDM ITR LCA was the exact same part as the USDM 88 CRX LCA & The JDM EG6 Sir2 LCA.</TD></TR></TABLE>

this for sure is not true. they are not the same part. but im not saying theyre different lengths or whatnot or non interchangeable. just not identicAL for sure.

 

Since I didn't take the picture I dont know for sure how well everything lines up.

That pic is from this website that shows you how to upgrade to 5-lug from the ITR

http://battlecat.8m.com/ITR%20...A.htm

Heres another site that shows you how to do this.

http://www.ff-squad.com/technet/how-to/5lug.ef-da/

 

if they are infact longer....arear camber kit (washers) willfix you up....

 

I went outside today and compared my stock Integra LCA's (still on the car) with the 88 CRX LCA's. Although the design is different, how the strut bolts on, everything else is the same, all of the holes are the same, AND the length is the same. In other words, I could put my ITR struts and 88 CRX LCA's on right now and leave the stock sway bar and everything would line up and "bolt on" just fine.

However, to put the ITR rear sway bar on, I would need to drill holes in the undercarriage for the mounting brackets and also reinforce the undercarriage, BUT, it would connect to the 88 CRX LCA's just fine via sway bar endlinks (I also purchased ITR endlinks). No mods to the sway bar, endlinks, or LCA's would be required, just the drilling for the mounting brackets.

Since I don't really want to do that I'm just going to buy an aftermarket sway bar that does "bolt on" and doesn't require drilling, of course, it costs three times more, but, no drilling!

 

Modified by themilman at 3:22 PM 5/8/2006

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by themilman &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I went outside today and compared my stock Integra LCA's (still on the car) with the 88 CRX LCA's. Although the design is different, how the strut bolts on, everything else is the same, all of the holes are the same, AND the length is the same. </TD></TR></TABLE>

take the LCA off and measure. the difference is more subtle than you could tell with it on the car.

like i said, itll fit, but theyre not the same (dimensions).