Hi i just bought a 1995 Civic EX coupe. I am looking to do a swap.. either a b18c5 or k20. I am wondering how much horsepower do i need to make 13.9 or enough to keep up or beat my friend's evolution? any suggestions? thanks

 

gsr turbo and no im not kidding.

 

my friend has a gsr and turbo and can walk the turbo.. but i am looking for NA and how much whp is needed to get into the high 13 range?

 

*sorry meant to say "walk the evo"

 

all motor is going to be expensive. sleeve a LS block and bore it out to a 2liter. run a built head, cams/port/valvejob etc. a good header and 98+spec jdm itr tranny. should be able to walk that EVO. but that's going to cost you good money while on the other hand you can spend 5gs on gsr turbo and be faster.

 

real question is how much money do you have to waste. 13s are not at all fast so why bother, get some konis and go autocrossing instead.

 

what if i did a k20 (jdm rsx type r) swap? would it be close to an evo? just the k20 and bolt ons i/h/e

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chemi421 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what if i did a k20 (jdm rsx type r) swap? would it be close to an evo? just the k20 and bolt ons i/h/e</TD></TR></TABLE> yes it'll be enough to beat it. but that's around 9gs for everything. with 9gs do you know how fast you can make a b-series turbo go?

 

i hate these threads

 

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Ditto.

But for the record, my friend's track EJ1 has a stock JDM ITR with I/E and he walks Evos all day at the track. Evos are overrated.

 

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by UNKNOWN_MEMBER &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> yes it'll be enough to beat it. but that's around 9gs for everything. with 9gs do you know how fast you can make a b-series turbo go? </TD></TR></TABLE>

Worddddd

That's probably cheaper (B + Turbo), but u said u wanted N/A, in that case ur goingg to need a BUILT GSR, LS, B16 (I've heard they're fast, no actual experience w/ them though), Type R, etc... a high end motor will prolly put u at like 14 with I/H/E -- If you do what you need to do (which is sleeving, new & high comp internals, port, polish, etc.) then you can knock the time down dramatically...but you'll still push more power with the turbo...what's the difference, he has a turbo in his evo, so what would the differance be

 

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Ditto.

But for the record, my friend's track EJ1 has a stock JDM ITR with I/E and he walks Evos all day at the track. Evos are overrated. </TD></TR></TABLE> hell no evos aren't overrated. they're fast period.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by UNKNOWN_MEMBER &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> hell no evos aren't overrated. they're fast period.</TD></TR></TABLE>

when you see soccer moms driving them with a kid in a car seat in the back, theyre over rated.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by strictly.business &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">when you see soccer moms driving them with a kid in a car seat in the back, theyre over rated.</TD></TR></TABLE>and when you see them beating your swapped civic just like that, then they're not.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Screwtape: &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ditto.

But for the record, my friend's track EJ1 has a stock JDM ITR with I/E and he walks Evos all day at the track. Evos are overrated. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Couldn't agree more with both comments.

I don't care how much money you spend on a k20, that thing will have power to no end with just bolt-ons.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AbitAvenger &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and when you see them beating your swapped civic just like that, then they're not.</TD></TR></TABLE>


which costs less? civic. which car can run less boost and make more power? civic. k. not all theyre cracked up to be, id drive one none the less.

 

On a honda a good driver and about 200whp should get you in the 13s.
Turbo D should be enough.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by UNKNOWN_MEMBER &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> hell no evos aren't overrated. they're fast period.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I agree with you, they're fast. But still overrated. Especially against properly launched FWD Hondas.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Screwtape: &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I agree with you, they're fast. But still overrated. Especially against properly launched FWD Hondas.</TD></TR></TABLE> how are they overrated. you take different cars from factory modded form eg. type r vs evo, which is better for both track use straight and auto x. evos can be very fast cars with not much mods. the only downside to evos is that's what every ricer wants and it's too easily seen, unlike type rs.

 

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which costs less? civic. which car can run less boost and make more power? civic. k. not all theyre cracked up to be, id drive one none the less.</TD></TR></TABLE> when was price the subject? EVOs aren't the best things out there but they're a hell of a quick car out the factory and with very little mods they can be quick. all in all evos gets my respect.

 

God, where is Bauley? I loved that thread where he answered with a picture of

Front mount intake

+

Turbonator

=

dog stuck under the seat

Classic.

 

I think the evo throws 270 on an AWD drivetrain or something to that effect...you're going to need prolly like 240 at least (assuming ur a good driver)(you have an advantage because of hte weight difference), but u'll definately need your numbers up there

 

Does nobody read Honda Tuning? They got a 4-dr Integra into the 13's with just north of 200whp(and slicks). That said, you'll need about that to break 13's. Figure P/W ratio. LS/VTEC is your friend.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by black_EM1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Does nobody read Honda Tuning? They got a 4-dr Integra into the 13's with just north of 200whp(and slicks). That said, you'll need about that to break 13's. Figure P/W ratio. LS/VTEC is your friend. </TD></TR></TABLE> ok....backdraft ran high 11s with a little over 200hp. doesn't mean we're going to run that same time.