opinions on the Phantom Grip and Quaife or just aftermarket LSD in general!!
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opinions on the Phantom Grip and Quaife or just aftermarket LSD in general!!
i have been lookung into getting some type of LSD for my 98 Prelude and i was just wondering if i could get a few opinions about any of the brands that are out there.
i was looking into the phantom grip adapter but as i read about it i kept getting mixed reviews.
all opinions regarding LSD will be greatly appreciated!! Thanks!!
i was looking into the phantom grip adapter but as i read about it i kept getting mixed reviews.
all opinions regarding LSD will be greatly appreciated!! Thanks!!
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Re: (Rosko)
Quaife or Cusco 
--->>>>> NO RANDOM(Phantom) SLIP(grip)<<<<<-------
I'm in the market for an LSD for my M2 tranny. Both reputable and respected companies. Steve Oaks is using a quaife unit on their 800+hp prelude, and JUN is using the cusco on their Super Lemon Prelude. It's approx. $100 difference in cost retail.... around $1000.... 985 v. 1095. I'm kinda on the fence. I'm thinking fork over the extra 100 or so and get the cusco 1.5way. But I'd leave it up to you.
--->>>>> NO RANDOM(Phantom) SLIP(grip)<<<<<-------
I'm in the market for an LSD for my M2 tranny. Both reputable and respected companies. Steve Oaks is using a quaife unit on their 800+hp prelude, and JUN is using the cusco on their Super Lemon Prelude. It's approx. $100 difference in cost retail.... around $1000.... 985 v. 1095. I'm kinda on the fence. I'm thinking fork over the extra 100 or so and get the cusco 1.5way. But I'd leave it up to you.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dreams190 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I've heard that the OBX LSD is a direct copy of the Quaife... anybody heard anything about this?</TD></TR></TABLE>
i highly doubt it
i highly doubt it
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you would be wrong. it is not perfect. there are some problems with the obx many have been fixed and there still may be a few problems lingering they havent found. axels have been getting stuck but supposedly that has been fixed. im going to replacemine once school gets out and ill see then if it has or not. so far i havent had problems but like i said its still early in the game.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dreams190 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I've heard that the OBX LSD is a direct copy of the Quaife... anybody heard anything about this?</TD></TR></TABLE>
A very poor copy at that
Specs are way off and we are the point that we will not install them if a customer asks us to and supplies them. They also have the worst customer service coming from a Wholesale end so I can imagine how they are on a Retail side. The Quaife has one thing that can't be beat:
A very poor copy at that
Specs are way off and we are the point that we will not install them if a customer asks us to and supplies them. They also have the worst customer service coming from a Wholesale end so I can imagine how they are on a Retail side. The Quaife has one thing that can't be beat:
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Re: (mugenmarauder)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mugenmarauder »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So whats wrong with a phantom grip LSD I have heard nothing but good things about it....Extrememotorsports recommended it and says they use it in their full drag eagle talon.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Majority of cool guys at this forum blame one. I did read a lot of information on this forum with LSD comparos. Other than emotions - the most common argument against PG so far - it cannot handle, like, 500 or 600hp... It is still not clear what's wrong with PG if you have just stock 190-200 hp engine and do not plan to add any.
For sure, if money is not a question one should get a Quaife plus install would total in about $1400
Majority of cool guys at this forum blame one. I did read a lot of information on this forum with LSD comparos. Other than emotions - the most common argument against PG so far - it cannot handle, like, 500 or 600hp... It is still not clear what's wrong with PG if you have just stock 190-200 hp engine and do not plan to add any.
For sure, if money is not a question one should get a Quaife plus install would total in about $1400
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by accel »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Majority of cool guys at this forum blame one. I did read a lot of information on this forum with LSD comparos. Other than emotions - the most common argument against PG so far - it cannot handle, like, 500 or 600hp... It is still not clear what's wrong with PG if you have just stock 190-200 hp engine and do not plan to add any.
For sure, if money is not a question one should get a Quaife plus install would total in about $1400</TD></TR></TABLE>
The problem with the random grip is that the design is inherently shoddy. the mechanism they use to bind the spider gears has not proven to be reliable over a given period of time (a few months) and it eventually becomes dead weight. Also, the design does not, and realistically cannot reproduce the same type of result over and over and hence has earned the name random grip, phantom slip, phantom crap, etc.
the OBX is a better concept, however, the execution is all wrong. for the time and agony spent trying to "fix" the OBX, you're better off spending the money on a quaife or a kaaz.
For sure, if money is not a question one should get a Quaife plus install would total in about $1400</TD></TR></TABLE>
The problem with the random grip is that the design is inherently shoddy. the mechanism they use to bind the spider gears has not proven to be reliable over a given period of time (a few months) and it eventually becomes dead weight. Also, the design does not, and realistically cannot reproduce the same type of result over and over and hence has earned the name random grip, phantom slip, phantom crap, etc.
the OBX is a better concept, however, the execution is all wrong. for the time and agony spent trying to "fix" the OBX, you're better off spending the money on a quaife or a kaaz.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bad-monkey »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
The problem with the random grip is that the design is inherently shoddy. the mechanism they use to bind the spider gears has not proven to be reliable over a given period of time (a few months) and it eventually becomes dead weight. Also, the design does not, and realistically cannot reproduce the same type of result over and over and hence has earned the name random grip, phantom slip, phantom crap, etc.
the OBX is a better concept, however, the execution is all wrong. for the time and agony spent trying to "fix" the OBX, you're better off spending the money on a quaife or a kaaz.</TD></TR></TABLE>
The problem with the random grip is that the design is inherently shoddy. the mechanism they use to bind the spider gears has not proven to be reliable over a given period of time (a few months) and it eventually becomes dead weight. Also, the design does not, and realistically cannot reproduce the same type of result over and over and hence has earned the name random grip, phantom slip, phantom crap, etc.
the OBX is a better concept, however, the execution is all wrong. for the time and agony spent trying to "fix" the OBX, you're better off spending the money on a quaife or a kaaz.</TD></TR></TABLE>
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Re: (ilikehonda)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ilikehonda »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">kaaz and the quaife are the best...im testing out an obx right now and its got about 2000 miles and so far no probs but its pretty early yet</TD></TR></TABLE>
Let me know what you find on that OBX.....can't beat the price. I just did a auto manual conversion so my funds are kind of depleated.
Let me know what you find on that OBX.....can't beat the price. I just did a auto manual conversion so my funds are kind of depleated.
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Re: (accel)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by accel »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Majority of cool guys at this forum blame one. I did read a lot of information on this forum with LSD comparos. Other than emotions - the most common argument against PG so far - it cannot handle, like, 500 or 600hp... It is still not clear what's wrong with PG if you have just stock 190-200 hp engine and do not plan to add any.
For sure, if money is not a question one should get a Quaife plus install would total in about $1400</TD></TR></TABLE>
The most common complaint I have against the PG is that it eats your differential. Unfotunately the pics are in another forum that isn't online anymore, but I have seen photos of 2 different cars which had a stock diff with a PG installed. Both were after 10k miles. In both cases, the spider gears were shorn completely apart, and there were little bits of metal bonking around the transmission. In both cases, the failure of the PG took out the entire tranny. Neither case were high HP cars, probably around 200 WHP if memory serves. The bottom line is that a stock diff is not meant to be locked together, and will wear itself down until breakage.
For sure, if money is not a question one should get a Quaife plus install would total in about $1400</TD></TR></TABLE>
The most common complaint I have against the PG is that it eats your differential. Unfotunately the pics are in another forum that isn't online anymore, but I have seen photos of 2 different cars which had a stock diff with a PG installed. Both were after 10k miles. In both cases, the spider gears were shorn completely apart, and there were little bits of metal bonking around the transmission. In both cases, the failure of the PG took out the entire tranny. Neither case were high HP cars, probably around 200 WHP if memory serves. The bottom line is that a stock diff is not meant to be locked together, and will wear itself down until breakage.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Silverpike »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The most common complaint I have against the PG is that it eats your differential. Unfotunately the pics are in another forum that isn't online anymore, but I have seen photos of 2 different cars which had a stock diff with a PG installed. Both were after 10k miles. In both cases, the spider gears were shorn completely apart, and there were little bits of metal bonking around the transmission. In both cases, the failure of the PG took out the entire tranny. Neither case were high HP cars, probably around 200 WHP if memory serves. The bottom line is that a stock diff is not meant to be locked together, and will wear itself down until breakage.</TD></TR></TABLE>
those open diff spider gears are not strong enough to be reamed on like the pg does and last....
those open diff spider gears are not strong enough to be reamed on like the pg does and last....
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Re: (bad-monkey)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bad-monkey »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
the OBX is a better concept, however, the execution is all wrong. for the time and agony spent trying to "fix" the OBX, you're better off spending the money on a quaife or a kaaz.</TD></TR></TABLE>
i got an obx lsd hoping that i'll have good luck. wrong. my axles pop out and it won't go in flush w/ the tranny casing. the snap ring won't lock into place. Now i am either investing in a tranny w/ lsd or but a quaife. if you get an obx that works good, i envy you.
the OBX is a better concept, however, the execution is all wrong. for the time and agony spent trying to "fix" the OBX, you're better off spending the money on a quaife or a kaaz.</TD></TR></TABLE>
i got an obx lsd hoping that i'll have good luck. wrong. my axles pop out and it won't go in flush w/ the tranny casing. the snap ring won't lock into place. Now i am either investing in a tranny w/ lsd or but a quaife. if you get an obx that works good, i envy you.
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