I am an s2000 owner but iused to post inthis forum regulary when i had my teg. to me you guys are some of the most knowledgeable people on honda-tech as wel as any other honda forum. My question is this, I know Honda has a max leakdown test cutoff, ive always been told it was 10%, most dealers will suggest a tear down at 7%. I got stuck in some deep water in my s2000 when we had bad rainstorms last weekend, I sucked some water in the motor. my compression numbers werent bad, they were 216 across, but down from 245psi 2 months ago. I had a leakdown test done, and i had a 10-15% percent leakage in each cylinder. the problem is the honda mechanioc said those were excellent numbers. We all know those are rediculously high. My insurance appraiser wants Honda's leakdown specs to determine if those are to high. So the honda service department said they would call corporate Honda's tech department. Should i worry i might get a tech who says those numbers are fine? If they come back with that those numbers are fine, im getting my s2000 back, bandaided, not fixed. Any help is greatly appreciated fellas.

 

i know there was water because i popped of my air box lid and there was almost 1 inch of water in there. I also pulled off the intake arm, and there was a trail of water leading through the throttle body. What i did next was removed the sparkplugs and watched and cylinders 1 and 2 shot a nice amount of water out. I have the factory s2000 service manual, but it says nothing when pertaining to a leakdowndown test spec. But I was told that all hondas really follow the same leakdown guidlines. Just seeing if anyone inthis forum could back that up.

 

If water causes a problem 99% of the time it will be low compression in the cyl furthest from the throttle body. I doubt insurance will go for that.

 

it was the cylinders clsotst to the firewall, my bad..and my insuranc has already offered to pick up the repair bill. It happened during a storm, I have full covereage, **** happens

 

I have full coverage also; how did you go about getting insurence to pick your bill up? Im thinking about taking my R to the Honda dealership and getting an estimate.

 

Good deal that makes sense then, they should get you a short block.

 

well corporate honda said they have no guidelines as far as leakdown numbers and a tech fromt here said as long as the numbers are in the green zone, its fine.....I faxed over a letter to my appraiser and my insurance adjsuter stating that those numbers arent fine, and listed the potential problems I can incur if theres unseen or unchecked damage internally. I told them I wouldnt feel comfortable or safe driving the car, becuase nothing has been fixed, or bandaided. im requesting they use a bore scope to see what the condition of the cylinder walls are

 

What damage are you expecting? Hydro lock usually results in bottom end damage, bent or broken connecting rod being the most common. I don't think a leakdown test will reveal that. Maybe a compression test will reveal a difference in compression between the cylinder you suspect was hydrolocked and which were untouched.

My suggestion is bite the bullet and suggest the following. Visually inspection of bottom end, if no damage you pay for the tear down. If there is damage insurance pays for the repair including tear down.

If you have a good relationship with the dealer you can ensure they find damage ;p and get a new short block. They probably would agree since it's not Honda warranty paying so little to no risk.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by stumpyf4 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What damage are you expecting? Hydro lock usually results in bottom end damage, bent or broken connecting rod being the most common. I don't think a leakdown test will reveal that. Maybe a compression test will reveal a difference in compression between the cylinder you suspect was hydrolocked and which were untouched.

My suggestion is bite the bullet and suggest the following. Visually inspection of bottom end, if no damage you pay for the tear down. If there is damage insurance pays for the repair including tear down.

If you have a good relationship with the dealer you can ensure they find damage ;p and get a new short block. They probably would agree since it's not Honda warranty paying so little to no risk.</TD></TR></TABLE>

well heres the thing, i authorized a tear down. I just wanted to make sure everything is ok and nothing is overlooked. they said they would do it and the next day they start giing me the runaround. I have a good relationship with the dealer but im not going to nudge them to make money. Regardless what they tell me about the leakdown numbers, they are too high, and it doesnt take a genious mechanic to figure it out.

What im worried about is, cylinder scoring, weakended rods, and hope that water or fuel never made it into the crankcase and broke up any lubrication on the rod bearings. But I wouldnt know since they havent took my suggestions. I spoke with another dealer that said to take the car there and show them the write up my dealer did on my car and they will take it from there.

 

well from what you said it already sounds like the insurance company gave you the green light on the bill part of it, if not correct me, if SO what's the matter?

 

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the matter is, the service department seems like they want no part of this, im miffed. im just getting the car tomorrow and taking it to another dealer that actually wants to do the work.

 

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Snap! Drop a BRAND NEW block in there and take here home

 

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Snap! Drop a BRAND NEW block in there and take here home </TD></TR></TABLE>

dude thats what i and honda initisly agreed would be the best option, and then "their bestest mechanic" said my compression and leakdown numbers were great. HWile I agree that my compression numbers are cool 216 across) a 10-15 percent leakdown in each cylinder is crazy. But he tells me its good and my appraiser is going to take hondas word not mine. So I called up other honda dealers who backed me up as well as a couple of mechanics. My insurance company said i can go anywhere i want and they wont put me back int he car if i dont feel ok with this. So Ill just keep fighting for a new block, because appearantly boring out the s2k block weakens it alot, so says the guys at s2ki.com