Hello,
So after lots of research I have found that my best option for a swap is to order a SIR-II engine from HMO. I plan on getting the SiR-II complete changeover unless some of the items cannot be used. I have a few concerns maybe some of you nice people can resolve:

•Will the SiR-II engine mounts and brackets work in the 94-95 Civic DX Hatchback? (Instead of having to buy the 94+ Integra Mounts and brackets)

•Will the SiR-II Hydraulic Transmission Mounts and Brackets work with the 94-95 Civic DX Hatchback? (If not what mounts do I use?)

•Will the SiR-II Shift Linkage work correctly with the 94-95 Civic DX Hatchback? (I have heard that they are an inch shorter than a 94+ Integra linkage, if the SiR-II will not work, what linkage do I use?)

•Do I need to modify my Stock DX harness to add the VTEC wires & Knock Sensor, etc... or can I just use the SiR-II wire harness instead?

•Will the B16A exhaust manifold mount up to the stock exhaust of a DX? If so what Cat do I use the one for a B16A or a DX? (If the exhaust doesn't mount up what do I do about the Exhaust Manifold, Cat, and Cat Back?)

•Will the axles from the Sir-II work? (Or do I need to get axles from something else? If so what? Also I plan on getting the Hydraulic Trans w/ LSD, don't know if that matters)

That should be all for now, thank you for your time,

 

I promise I have searched for this info, I cannot find direct answers to my questions, please help me

 

its called a "complete changeover" because it came from the same car as yours only from japanland. everything works, except the exhaust. you might have to add a cat or test pipe, not 100% sure on the dx.

 

Thanks for the info schardbody, I just want to verify before I go spending $3000 on an engine changeover. Does anyone know how the exhaust works out?

 

i did this swap in my 5th gen CX and my 5th gen Si

for ur DX, u can use all stock mounts, except the rear L bracket. u MIGHT need teh tranny mount cause mine came with the swap.

i got the complete swap too and it came with everything i needed to swap it in without problems.

the axels will work fine, with or with LSD tranny. they are same as the 94 + teg axels without ABS.

the linkage works fine too, dont know the difference between teg linkage and the sir2 linkage, but i used the sir2 linkage.

also the exaust manifold will bolt up too, u will need to extend the O2 sensor wires and fiddle around with some different rad hoses. if u want more info on the rad hoses, IM me.

u will need to fab up a throttle calbe dracket to use with ur d series cable, or there is a guy selling some on ebay as well now and they are fairly cheap (like $15)

if u have any questions, hit me up cause i did this exact same swap 2 times and i got it down to a day swap.

good luck

 

the radiator hoses to use are del sol vtec upper and lower, cuz its an eg chassis w/ a b16 stock. i PMed you danielle.

 

ya but im in canada and didnt want to pay $60 for the upper. the lower i used was from a 90 teg and it worked fine.

the upper i used was from the stock d15 motor from my civic, i cut a bit off and heated the end that went on the motor with a torch and jammed it on and its solid and never leaked.

 

CRXified are you saying you used the D Series mounts? or the SiR-II Mounts? Cause I have heard the D Series mounts can are not strong enough when you start upgrading the engine, so I would prefer to use the SiR-II mounts if they work. Also do I use the stock Wire harness and modify it, or can I use the stock SiR-II harness and not modify anything?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by g2tegsownsgirl &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">CRXified are you saying you used the D Series mounts? or the SiR-II Mounts? Cause I have heard the D Series mounts can are not strong enough when you start upgrading the engine, so I would prefer to use the SiR-II mounts if they work. Also do I use the stock Wire harness and modify it, or can I use the stock SiR-II harness and not modify anything?</TD></TR></TABLE>

The mounts should work but upgrades are always better. You can use the stock harness and modify it but the harness from the Sir will save time with adding wires for the knock sensor,vtec pressure etc..

 

The SIR2 harness, of course, will be for a right hand drive vehicle, so the plugs are on opposite sides.

You can stretch the harness and get it to plug in though.

 

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The mounts should work but upgrades are always better. You can use the stock harness and modify it but the harness from the Sir will save time with adding wires for the knock sensor,vtec pressure etc..</TD></TR></TABLE>

i used the stock harness and ran 2 wires for vtec and 1 for knock sensor. the SiR II harness isnt going to work unless u want to switch to RHD

and yes i used teh stock timing belt side mount, stock torque mounts on the frame rail, the SiR2 tranny mount that came with my swap, the rear L bracket that came with the swap and the stock rear mount that the L bracket mounts too.

hope this helps a lot, its a fun swap


Modified by CRXified at 3:29 PM 4/24/2006

 

Wow thanks so much everyone :D
So if I get the whole changeover I should be good to go, now all I have to do is get the guy who is doing the swap not to send the wireharness away to rewire and do it himself.

 

wiring is really easy, pin 3 wires into the ECU and ground out 1 of the vtec wires. simple as pie

 

Here is my experience with a B16 Sir II into my 93 Hatch SI. Motor mounts worked, shift linkage worked and power steering line from car will hook up to power steering pump. Your a/c compressor will not mount to the a/c bracket supplied with the motor. You will need the p54 bracket. Thats about all I can think of. Sorry if this was already said.

 

Thanks spoonracer84eg, that is actually very useful because I didn't even think about the power steering pump, I am probably going to pull the PS cause I like it better that way, but I have heard on some models you cannot remove it because it lubricates some part of the steering. Anyway does anyone know if I can pull the powersteering? Also I don't plan on carring over the ac, however I could from the D Series engine if I wanted?

Thanks again :D

 

i have a similar question to this

if i use an usdm vtec engine harness (92-95 ex/si harness) do i need to add any more wires for vtec and knock sensor?

 

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if i use an usdm vtec engine harness (92-95 ex/si harness) do i need to add any more wires for vtec and knock sensor?</TD></TR></TABLE>

just for knock sensor, u might have some issues with the MAP sensor too i totally forgot.

on my 93 CX hatch, the MAP sensor plug was on the main harness, not the engine harness, BUT on my 92 Si hatch, the MAP was part of the engine harness. i didnt get the Si engine harness with my shell, so i had to use the 93 CX harness in the 92 Si shell, i just had to wire in 3 wires for teh MAP sensor too

 

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92-95 EG and Del Sol with 94-2000 GS-R B18C(including Integra Type R) & 93-97 Del Sol Vtec & 99-00 Si B16a2

Transmission: These Engines come with Hydraulic clutch transmissions including Japanese or American market Y21, Y80, S80, AND S4C. Japanese or American market S1, J1, A1, Y1 or YS1 cable clutch transmission with Hasport cable conversion kit part # M92-CC can be used.

Mounts: A combination of stock and integra mounts can be used if a hydraulic B- series tranny is used. on some 96 and up engines you may need to change the bracket under the timing belt and on the rear of the engine for ones of the appropriate year.

ECU: Use ecu that came with the Engine with proper wiring modifications. For those who do not wish to use OBDII ecu's. For the B16a2 Si motor use the JDM P30 Ecu. Other wise you may use a Chipped P28 with the Proper Programing.

Electrical Differences: B18C1 add air intake Bypass wiring. Cx and Vx need to conver to 4 wire o2 sensor. Non Vtec models need to be wired for Vtec solenoid and Vtec Pressure. All models Modify stock harness to fit. add knock sensor if you are not using a Chipped p28 ecu. Hasport Harness for B18C1(GSRmotor) part #EGDX-GSR

Axles: 90-93 integra axles, 94-up integra axles, 94-97 Del Sol Vtec axles, or 99-00 Civic Si Axles. Note the intermediate shaft seal in the left side of transmission is different for 90-93 Integra Axles. Depending on Axle transmission Combo, It may have to be changed. Hasport Part#: EGBAXCMP

Shift Linkage: 94-up Integra linkage for Civics. 94-97 Del Sol Vtec linkage for Del Sol

Upper Radiator Hose: For Engines using b16a or Type R Head use 94-97 Del Sol Vtec Hose. For Engines with GSR head use 94-up GSR hose

Lower Radiator Hose: 94 Delsol Vtec

Throttle Cable: For Engines with B16a head, use 94 Del Sol Vtec. For Engines with GSR (B18C1) head use 94 GSR. For Engines with Type R head Use 98 Type R

Clutch Hydraulics: Stock

Air Conditioning: 94-95 Del Sol Vtec A/C Bracket

Special Instructions: Using OBDII ECU involves wiring modifications. Generally if the ECU you choose does not use the same plugs as the stock ECU, an adapter harness will cut down on alot of potential problems.

Special Considerations: US motors are smog legal as long as the motor is from the same year or later. Japanese type R motors are very potent and wiring is relatively easy with ecu adapter harness. The B Series engine swaps into these year vehicles are by far the easiest. there are honda mounts available to bolt those engines directly in and the wiring is by far the simplest. The majority of people opt to put in a B18C, B18B, or 94-95 Del Sol B16a and those bolt in directly using Del Sol Vtec Mounts. the Del Sol mounts are the same as the 94-up Integra mounts with the exception of the A/C bracket.

 

SkoundrelUSA I did search, and all that information you posted is worthless to me, since I am not going to buy anything for an integra. I wanted info on the complete changeover, not info on putting a B18C into an OBDII. I apreciate you trying to help though

 

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92-95 EG and Del Sol <FONT SIZE="6">with </FONT>94-2000 GS-R B18C(including Integra Type R) <FONT SIZE="6">&</FONT> 93-97 Del Sol Vtec & 99-00 Si B16a2

 

Although i here that its very simple putting in a 1992 civic dx cause they already use a 4 wire 02 sensor and a re pre wired for vtec am i correct i searched and found multiple things im just wondering since i plan on doing this come summer.

 

Yup they are 4-wire so you don't have to worry about that. I don't know about the VTEC wiring really but I heard its not as bad as it seems.

 

ok im just clearing things up i heard all 92 civic are prewired for it. Like from the bay to comp is wired already not sure though like all i have to do is plug in a vtec harness and bam vtec lol (well witha vtec ecu of course) which im opting for a chiped p28 and hondata which im going to get from a friend so i wont need to wire up knock sensor either looks like swap going to be a sinch

 

ya u sound good to go, once u start the swap, if u got any mechanical skills, it hsould be a since, just remember to get that rear mount bolt in there 1st

then bolt the rest in, its a bitch if u dont

 

Ill be honest with you. When we did the same swap your talking about into my 93 hatch si it wasnt easy due to the fact that the motor was jdm. If it wasnt for him knowing what he was doing I could have been working on that **** for weeks on end. Instead it took 2 days. Dont underestimate the swap.