Here are a couple of photos of a header we built for Honda Of Canada's Ontario Truring Gt Championship Team ( it's like Canadian Speed World Challenge ) The header is constructed from thin gage 321 stainless steel to produce a lightweight unit yet maintain maximum durability. I went with a 4-2-1 design to produce the maximum useable midrange while not hindering peak horsepower. If anything this header should show some good gains on the top end.
















hope you guy's enjoy please comment at will

 

Amazing work!!!

 

I'm not going to lie...

that is sexy!

Just don't let me girlfriend know I said a header was sexy.

 

Now to make them affordable that would be great.
NIce piece of work.

Edo

 

Wow, very nice Casey!

 

I'm assuming those are bungs in each primary for widebands?

 

Individual EGT's

 

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What type of material are the springs made of? tension?

I Toda can't make a spring with a ****.

 

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NIce piece of work.

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i think the product fits the price.


nice ****, i need to get my bling on the car

 

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I didnt say it doesent.

Edo

 

Do you guys do Motorcycle work too?

 

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how so, there has been not one dyno chart.

 

There shouldn;t be a dyno chart since 98% of the stuff we is proprietary and confidential. The onwer of this header was kind enough to allow me to share some pics.

Here's how it works when you have an engine devlopment program.

You design evrything to meet or exceed your desired powerband; not peak HP but powerband. A header is an essential part to meeting this. When a header is designed to git the application and you meet your power goal you dont go around testing header after header. You may tweak and tune the desing a bit as engine development goes a long but you will see through enough testing and using the proper calculations in the first place that one design fits the puzzle.

Asking for dyno charts of an engine when they are not going to test any other header is pointless. I was asked to design a header that needed to meet some particular requirements. I believe I did just that; pending testing if it isn't quite up to the task we left room to tweak the design as needed. Calculations are not always perfect but they are damn close

 

so you want people to buy a header that doesnt have any proof to actually making a difference in any part of the power band? i mean you say its supposed to make mid to high end power but how do we know and no offense but how do you know without any sort of testing?

 

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Yeh, but the Toda springs don't hold anything together .

 

We know because we have designed and tested on multiple applications before this. Let me put it this way if you do all of your math right and your still not making the power you need to when you develop your engine program, Then something is wrong. If you hit your goal or make more then there isn't a problem is there.

Professional race teams have never asked for a dyno sheet

 

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this is true.

 

They are stainless we haven't had any complaints about them

 

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I don't think anyones demanding trade secrets, but with any company that offers there products or services to consumers it's not unreasonable to need more than quality of build when purchasing an exhaust manifold of considerable price.

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Injen cai, Spoon 4-2 2-1, Amuse Titan R1, RBC im, IPS-K2 cams/Eibach springs/ Ti retainers, and Unorthodox SS pulleys

 

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The people that are going to pony up and buy something like Burns Stainless header are not going to get on honda-tech and whine about dyno charts for their stock B16 engine.

If you know what you are buying, you arent going to sit and nitpick. And if you still have those questions, you bring them up with Burns (or whomever is building the header/engine/intake/etc) - that kind of thing is not always public knowledge, nor should it be if the buyer does not want to make it. I bought my SMSP header and I think it was the first B18A/B header he did - so obviously no dyno charts.

 

^^^ Yeah, exactly.

 

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ok so is contributing towards winning the 24 hr of le mands and dominating the alms gt1 class not enough?

How about pro stock we supply 90% of the field there. Those aren't trade secrets those are well known facts

oh by the way here's a dyno graph of one of our k20 headers in action, ours being the blue line

 

: alexander : by an other name is still Stormy. You can always tell by his uncanny knack for attacking someone based on what he thought should have been included in the Original Poster's own thread. Casey made no claim to the amount of horsepower this header could be expected to produce, so why call him on that issue. The header looks really nice and to be honest, Burns really isn't is the header fabricating business. They will fabricate one for you, but you'll pay handsomely for it.

How many H-T lives does Stormy get before he wears out his welcome. He just can't help himself from going on the attack, especially if it's Casey. So what that there aren't any dyno numbers, the header looks really nice with consistent Tig weld beads and one of the best flowing collectors available. Enjoy it or ignore it as you see fit, but it seems that Casey was only trying to share some photos of a nice piece of industrial art.

 

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well i said because i know more then you do about Burns.

They wont sell a product if it wont meet there goals.