Well ive decided to keep my R for a while and Im getting the mod sickness!! Before I ask anything, I already went to the READ THIS BEFORE ANYTHING, and read every single link there.. as well as searching. Just to save some of u the trouble of telling me.

Also from what ive read through the forums.. dont suggest driving school.. its in everysingle thread in here... ok now i can begin

00 itr b18c5

I currently have an aem short ram which Im switching off for a password jdm CF intake (if by experience u can suggest something better open to options)

I have stored and ordered a jdm 4-1 header, apexi ws full exhaust. Since my comp is obd2 i was going to buy a chipped obd1 ecu (ure suggestions welcomed)

things that are going to be ordered this week
clutch
flywheel
fpr.

Now heres the question i was looking at the STR cam gears. Any input on this? I want to run a cam gear that i can run with my stock setup but eventually (soon) will be getting cams (which im open to suggestions). ANy other suggestion as to engine mods that i might be overlooking id appreciate it. Will just cam gears make a good difference?

thanks in advance guys

 

What do you want to do w/ the car?

 

I might be doing some autocrossing.. but mostly 'spirited' driving..

I cant use the fD because the Highway driving will kill me.. lol.. to high of rpms

 

ditch the passwordjdm intake and go for a comptech icebox intake. You might wanna get a better header. Since you have a 2000 itr, you will need an obd2b to obd1 conversion plug to be able to run a chip p28.

 

Cancel the order for the JDM header...not very good for the price.

Cam gears will give you a little bit of power, but nothing to really get your panties wet...plus the dyno tune will come in handy when you convert to obd1. That should free up some ponies.

Open up your exhaust a bit more...the WS from Apex is a bit restrictive for my taste.

What does your suspension consist of? Brakes? WHat have you done to harness the power of the stock c5 motor?

 

so its not a p73? Thats the one i was looking at... im going to do my homework on this.. off ure head know the differences?

 

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What are you referring to?

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Don't get it. The AEM ITR 3" CAI which is alot cheaper produces more HP then it:

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1194241

Only thing that the J's has on the AEM is throttle responce and low end torque.

Do a search on this, there was a big disscusion not too long ago on RPM vs Throttle Presure. You might be suprised at the results.
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Agreed...AEM is better...

I saw that gas mileaged actually increased.


Modified by Circuit Star-29 at 10:37 AM 4/21/2006

 

i don't understand why people opt thousand of dollars and it bearly makes a dent in powerband.. unless you're going to compete in some class and its against the rules.. why not have tons of hp for your "spirited" type of driving.. what i'm saying is.. look into turbocharging..

turbo isn't cheap but if you have the money.. don't waiste it on 15-20hp... your car will be just as slow.

 

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Turboing an engine that produces some of the highest power to displacement kills the whole N/A legend feel behind an ITR.</TD></TR></TABLE>


If you insist on staying allmotor, then at least consider the k20a swap - which actually produces a bit of torque.....

Otherwise, many on here are perfectly content with superchargers and turbo's for daily and spirited driving.

It's just a financially viable option that produces MUCH more power.

 

Some turbo tuning also make a car somewhat unpredictable in corners... Response sucks, you get tons of heat and you can boil your oil before the third lap...

Of course you can get cooling equippment, but just for argument, N/A offers power without the sideeffects of turbo..

For drag racing, Turbo &gt; all...

Plus the R has such a great sound w/ good size cams...why ruin it with a big laggy turbine.

 

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Turboing an engine that produces some of the highest power to displacement kills the whole N/A legend feel behind an ITR.</TD></TR></TABLE>

trust me.. your car is not taking a vacation when you're going turbo.. its working just as hard.. hp is hp.. at least, with proper turbo setup you can gain tons of torque and have more hp at earlier rpm..

 

Everyone knows, that the only replacement for displacement is Boost...

But the doods w/ the big Kahones go N/A (sp)...then leave the boosted guys wonder what happened...

 

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very true.. you can control response if you get the right size components.. one same hand.. you're still going to have lack of response with n/a motor if its below certain rpm... if i downshift i don't have to wait for boost to build up its there from the go..

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Plus the R has such a great sound w/ good size cams...why ruin it with a big laggy turbine. </TD></TR></TABLE>

hey now... vtec + open wastegate can get pretty loud

 

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hey now... vtec + open wastegate can get pretty loud</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yea and really fawking scary as it passes you...

 

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What are you referring to?

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I am reffering to ecu's...

Guys im not contimplating boost so it can end here.. no boost.. sorry.. or supercharger.. im going to get what i can get all motor... im not telling my self ok i want 240 hp... im putting all these mods on and tuning.. whatever i get from them is what it is.. thanks...


noone has touched the subject on the cam gears.. appreciate ure input on that the most...

 

I run the AEM 5 bolt cam gears and I'm happy with them. ST Corsa cam gears have thread locks but they are discontinued. If you could buy those they would be my first choice. I believe the Buddy Club cam gears don't have the appropriate markings which makes them hard to read for setting. Other than that, just get whatever ones you like. A 4 or, preferable, 5 bolt design will do just fine.

Some companies, however, recommend that you use their cam gear if your using their camshaft. ie: Toda. Just something to think about. If you decide on a camshaft before you buy the cam gears just take that into consideration.

 

Rocket Motorsports M22X cams....pull to 9,200 RPM... of course I might be biased.

 

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I cant use the fD because the Highway driving will kill me.. lol.. to high of rpms</TD></TR></TABLE>

change 5th gear if you are worried about hwy driving......

especially since you would have the tranny apart anyways.....


ATS fd is the best bang for the buck.......

and i had run a toda b setup........

 

I didn't read through the thread. I only wanted to recommend ST Corsa cam gears (if you can find them).

 

Spend the money and get a HyTech header back exhaust system. While you wait for that to be made you can source the 3" AEM Intake like everyone else says. I would also go with a "stage 1" intake cam. I would recommend the JUN2 intake cam; it makes decent power over the CTR intake cam, along with some cam gears... any brand will do (I'm running the Full-Race cam gears and the construction is top notch). Get yourself a Hondata s100 and some dyno time. I think that is a great "spirited driving" build for someone who wants a bit more out of an ITR.

 

thanks for the opinions.. more are welcome!


cant get the hytech exhaust.. already ordered the apexi ws..

 

Edit just saw above. Will remove and put something to fill the gap if needed. Sorry

To continue HiJacking of the thread:

N/A vs. Turbo is a uselss argument. The only answer is: "To each his own"...simple.

Being an All Motor guy and having tons of friends with modded turbo cars, I have come to a conclusion so you dont have to debate which to go with.

Answer:

Figure out what you want from the car and the car will give you that in return. For me its N/A. Its never going to be the fastest on the road, so why fret about getting all this horsepower? If your daily driving the car (which most are), then you should focus on whats practical and stop thinking you need to prove something to someone. Whats most important to me? A healthy motor. Id take a smooth power band, a motor that screams at me to try and break it, and a car that overall fits its form and function, then a modded out turbo car that your scared to push to its limits. Remeber this is my opinion and not all turbo cars are guarnteed to have more problems, but from experience do what fits you.

 

Turbo your R do it right and you wont regret it.

all motor is an expensive habbit.

 

Just leave it stock so you won't lose any more than you have to on it.

Hey, it's a car all they do is depreciate anyway, right?

 

i need to get me these ones