ok so its time to purchase a turbo for my gsr turbo build and ive narrowed my three choices to the gt3076r .63 a/r, t3/60-1 .63 a/r, or the blowzilla (not sure what specs to get). A lot of people are telling me to get the gt3076r but it might be a little out of my price range, so im looking for a good alternative. I pm'ed Ken from Peakboost about what i should get if i decided not to get the gt3076r and he recommended the blowzilla. although it seems like it might be overkill for what my goals are.

my setup consists of:
b18c1 engine
wiseco low comp pistons
eagle rods
polished crank
ge block guard
omni power dual valve springs
3 angle valve job
arp headstuds
skunk2 cam gears
crome

my power goals are for 350-400 whp

this will be in my everyday car, but i will take it to the strip about once a week(hopefully!!) in the summer. so i would need good spool characteristics, but i still want to be capable of running low 11's.

can anyone with some experience help me out?

thanks

 

up for you....... ive been reading tons and tons of posts and i still cant decide for this power level as well.........

ive had people recommend the t3 60-1 like u say many times though....... but i may just end up with the good ol t3t04e and settle for a lower power level........ 300-350 is pretty much the hook or not hook threshold from what i read........

 

I have a t3/60-1 Ball bearing goin on my car now. I will let you know how it spools once it is tuned. I know the GT30R is well able to make 500whp

 

for those power goals I think a gt2871R would work better then the 3076.

 

im tryin to narrow down my choices...not make more of them.

 

get an SC 61

 

i get 15 psi with my t3 60-1 at about 4600. probably will come in a little sooner once we get a good tune on it.

 

I called pheonix turbo abd they sold me the T3 60-1 63AR with the 70AR compressor. I was told that this would be good for abouyt 330-370 at about 10-14 psi in the gsr. He said he was pretty sure it would make 330 at 10psi with my set up. I have a stock gsr with semi equal length mani, 3in dp, and 2.5 in piping. DOnt have everything yeat waiting on CCFAB to finish my stuff. I will let you know how it turns out, but I paid 740 shipped for the turbo. It is pretty big compared to my friends t3/t4. we'll see how it does.

I was told the Blowzilla is the SC61. This came from Phoenix turbo so they should know.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by drintegra &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I called pheonix turbo abd they sold me the T3 60-1 63AR with the 70AR compressor. I was told that this would be good for abouyt 330-370 at about 10-14 psi in the gsr. He said he was pretty sure it would make 330 at 10psi with my set up. I have a stock gsr with semi equal length mani, 3in dp, and 2.5 in piping. DOnt have everything yeat waiting on CCFAB to finish my stuff. I will let you know how it turns out, but I paid 740 shipped for the turbo. It is pretty big compared to my friends t3/t4. we'll see how it does.

I was told the Blowzilla is the SC61. This came from Phoenix turbo so they should know. </TD></TR></TABLE>


I would hope a 60-1 would do more than 370whp at 15psi, but we will see in a week or two.

also if I remember right a SC61 is a 35R comp wheel where a blowzilla is a 40R comp wheel

 

I made 293whp on a MUSTANG MD100(aka 330+whp on a dynojet) with a stock bottom GSR on 9psi with a T3/T04e 60trim. The same car now has forged rods and pistons. I have no doubt it will crack 400whp on pump gas with the same turbo.

I hate how big turbo cars drive on the street personally. Traction is hard enough without the aggressive torque ramps these generally create.

I think the 60-1 is the garbage turbo of the bunch. If you're going to bother putting something that big on there, put a 61 or a blowzilla and get some real power potential along with your lag.

 

you can make that kind of power with a much cheaper t3/t04e 57 or 60 trim.

my 57trim made 357+ at 15psi on 91octane with uberdata......

 

For the 350-400whp range id just find turbos that support that range of flow and compare there spool characterists.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ILLICON5000 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">get an SC 61</TD></TR></TABLE>

Once I got hammered really bad by a hatch with an SC-61...BUT...I can say that it took him about 3 seconds to start pulling on me. Because my stock turbo is so small he would immediatly fall back to my rear bumper, but after that it was bye bye Mr Bond. I only got the turbo info, I didn't ask which engine. It was strong as hell, but there was alot of lag. Personally I like a reasonable turbo so that I don't have to downshift during normal driving.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by blundar &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I made 293whp on a MUSTANG MD100(aka 330+whp on a dynojet) with a stock bottom GSR on 9psi with a T3/T04e 60trim. The same car now has forged rods and pistons. I have no doubt it will crack 400whp on pump gas with the same turbo.

I hate how big turbo cars drive on the street personally. Traction is hard enough without the aggressive torque ramps these generally create.

I think the 60-1 is the garbage turbo of the bunch. If you're going to bother putting something that big on there, put a 61 or a blowzilla and get some real power potential along with your lag.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Thank you sir, you just reinforced my feelings for the t3/t04e........

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BoostR41 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would hope a 60-1 would do more than 370whp at 15psi, but we will see in a week or two.

also if I remember right a SC61 is a 35R comp wheel where a blowzilla is a 40R comp wheel</TD></TR></TABLE>

nah they're the same turbo. just that precision's smallest available turbine wheel is a stage 5, the stage 4. even says it on cheapturbos site:

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CheapTurbos.com's website &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">*same compressor section as GT35R</TD></TR></TABLE>

http://store.yahoo.com/cheapturbo/t3b.html

 

I just bought an SC61 Alternative......A Stg5 T3/60-1.....the Stg5 wheel is the same wheel used in a SC61 and I believe it might actually spool slightly faster due to the smaller compressor wheel, time will tell.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Westrock2000 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Once I got hammered really bad by a hatch with an SC-61...BUT...I can say that it took him about 3 seconds to start pulling on me. Because my stock turbo is so small he would immediatly fall back to my rear bumper, but after that it was bye bye Mr Bond. I only got the turbo info, I didn't ask which engine. It was strong as hell, but there was alot of lag. Personally I like a reasonable turbo so that I don't have to downshift during normal driving.</TD></TR></TABLE>

yeah SC61 can be laggy at times especially on smaller motors. I run an SC61 with a mitsubishi exhaust housing (a tad smaller than the std t3) and I see 18 psi at ~4500 rpm. But then again I have a 2 liter..

Cams really do help your spool time though, at least they did on my car

 

I use a 60-1/t3 on my ls, 10 psi is reached by 3500rpm * i don't have a rpm gauge I'm guesstimating " 2nd gear. I personally love it, the lag helps me launch off the hole then I get boost where it counts
too everyone his own

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by blundar &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think the 60-1 is the garbage turbo of the bunch. If you're going to bother putting something that big on there, put a 61 or a blowzilla and get some real power potential along with your lag.</TD></TR></TABLE>

60-1's are garbage turbos? Last I checked, RLZ went 9's @ 150+ MPH on a T3/60-1, which is faster than anyone has gone on an SC61. Evans has also made 640 WHP on a T3/60-1, which is only about 30 WHP shy of the most made on a GT35R, so how exactly does that make it a garbage turbo?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tokes1320 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

60-1's are garbage turbos? Last I checked, RLZ went 9's @ 150+ MPH on a T3/60-1, which is faster than anyone has gone on an SC61. Evans has also made 640 WHP on a T3/60-1, which is only about 30 WHP shy of the most made on a GT35R, so how exactly does that make it a garbage turbo?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I second that..... That evans car's turbo has the exact same specs as the turbo i just bought, 60-1 Stg5 Turbine .83AR

 

^^^ x3

 

soo uhhhh would the t3/60-1 be a better choice than the blowzilla?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by civicskater &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">soo uhhhh would the t3/60-1 be a better choice than the blowzilla?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I think a T3/TO4E 50-trim .63 A/R would be a better choice than either, but if you're dead set on the 60-1 or the blowzilla I would get whichever is cheaper.

 

For your desired power level, the T3/60-1, SC61 AND Blowzilla are all overkill. All are old technology. I don't think either Jeff Evans or RLZ would argue that the older housings are superior to the GT series. GT30e (non-ball bearing) is totally within the price range of the other turbos (under $600 from the Garrett dealer I talked to for both GT30e and 32e) you are considering, and will produce a broader powerband (i.e. overall faster car) than the non-GT alternatives. Maybe my idea of "good spool characteristics" is different than the other people posting in this thread, but I do not consider either the .63A/R 60-1 or .63A/R SC61 to have "good spool characteristics" for a street-driven turbo car in comparison to the T3/T04E 60 trim .63A/R or the GT30e on a stock displacement motor. I've said my piece. I've tuned stock displacement cars with all the turbos mentioned in this thread except the blowzilla. I know which one consistently whoops the others on the street AND the track, and it sure as hell isn't the one with the biggest turbo (SC61) mainly due to traction issues.
the end.

 

Isnt the blowzilla a form of a GT40?....if so I do not even see how it falls into the catergory of an SC61 or 60-1