ok guys the time has come for me to pick up a new set of rubba for the season...

now last year iw as runing on some old azenies so anything can beat those...right now im rollin on stock fat 5's....

tires im lookin into:
the new mt e/t street radials 235/60/15
or the
bfg's drag radial 225/50/15...

ill be pushing around 4-450whp....and i want traction but at the same time...i dont want a car that i cant drive anything but a straight line...im lookin for those mostly w/ experience on DD w/ both tires...hows the wear on them...and do the handle reasonably well?

thanks for any input...and if you guys have some tires in mind that will suit my needs feel free to add them to the list...i just wanna hook up a lil better

 

So you're looking for a tire that grips better than the Azenis for acceleration, grips better than the Azenis for cornering/handling, and lasts a long time. Sorry, there's no such thing. For example, the only tires that grip better than the Azenis for cornering/handling are R compound track tires, and their treadwear will be terrible, just like drag radials. And the drag radials you mention are designed only for straight-line grip, not for cornering/handling and not for treadwear.

 

Maybe he was using the Azenis RT 215 as oppose to the newer RT-615.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by old man neri &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Maybe he was using the Azenis RT 215 as oppose to the newer RT-615.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Well, the ways in which the new Azenis are better than the old Azenis are primarily in wet traction and in resistance to heat buildup, so I'm not sure he would see all that much difference. OTOH the Azenis would be my first recommendation for any high-horsepower, street-driven car whose owner was looking for the maximum traction and handling for street use. &lt; shrug &gt;

 

well im looking for a def increase in traction for a straight line performance...im really concerned that these tires just wont be able to take turns as well...i had the older version of the azenies and i just rosted them off the wheels....id say id prob put 5-6k miles on them...i just want them to last at least a lil while...but i know i need better grip...

 

If you want longer life you can look at the Goodyear Eagle F1 GS D3. This tire is almost as good in the dry, better in the wet, and a longer life.

You have a 450hp FWD honda.........you are going to spin street tires.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by drumking15 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well im looking for a def increase in traction for a straight line performance...im really concerned that these tires just wont be able to take turns as well...i had the older version of the azenies and i just rosted them off the wheels....id say id prob put 5-6k miles on them...i just want them to last at least a lil while...but i know i need better grip...</TD></TR></TABLE>

There is no tire that has better grip than either Azenis and lasts longer than the Azenis. The only tires that have more grip are competition tires (drag radials or R compound track tires), and they won't give you anywhere near as many miles. So your choice is either accept short treadlife (with competition tires), or get a good street tire like the Goodyear F1 GS-D3 knowing that it won't give you as much grip as the Azenis but at least it will give you a lot more miles. Your choice.

 

where r u guys gettin these tires...and what sizes do they run? id be interested in gettin a decent tire...and im always willin to sacrifice tread wear...i just fear them knobbin off if i have to take a highway trip or something....and ya i expect some traction issues to be present...i mean really is a fwd car....but spining thru 3rd...well it just doesnt cut it for me anymore...so new rubba and traction bars it is...

 

ahh i noticed a downside...since i run stocker rims...these tires only come in one 15" size according to tirerack....and there 195's....that be even steepin down from a 205....kinda seems like back trackin a lil...unless these tires really hook...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by drumking15 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">where r u guys gettin these tires...and what sizes do they run?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Azenis? Vulcan sells 'em.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by drumking15 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">these tires only come in one 15" size according to tirerack....and there 195's....that be even steepin down from a 205....kinda seems like back trackin a lil...unless these tires really hook...</TD></TR></TABLE>

That's true of the Goodyear F1 GS-D3. The only 15" size they come in is 195/50-15 - perfect size for pre-'96 Civics and CRXs, but too small for Integras and later Civics (except the '96 hatchback, '96 DX coupe, and '96 DX sedan). What kind of car do you have (year, model, version)?

Again, though, your desire for more traction than the Azenis, with longer treadlife than the Azenis, ain't gonna happen - can't have it both ways.



Modified by nsxtasy at 12:47 PM 6/1/2006

 

ya i actaully thought the azenies lasted a pretty good time...its my 2nd set...i roll in a dc2 chassis w/ some added weight...i just want a set of tires that hooks up...and im not going to go **** broke changing them every 2 weeks....i need them to at least last 1 season of about 5-6000 miles....

 

I think the Azenis (new Azenis RT-615, in 205/50-15) is the best choice for your needs.

 

just put drag radials on the front wheels and call it a day

 

ok can someone tell me this how are the azenis in wet, and the tread wear on the new 615's is really low , i had the s03's on my accord 195 50 15 so im kind of the same size power range as well, but i live in pa so rain is an issue i need something that is good in rain, oh yeah nd my car is a pig too so not sure. I was thinking about getting bridgestone RE750 but they are like 100 a piece where the falken are like 60 at most a piece? what do i do i need ot pick a tire?!?!?! I am a loyal bridgestone man. help and sorry to jack the thread!

David

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by pumafeet10 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ok can someone tell me this how are the azenis in wet, and the tread wear on the new 615's is really low , i had the s03's on my accord 195 50 15 so im kind of the same size power range as well, but i live in pa so rain is an issue i need something that is good in rain, oh yeah nd my car is a pig too so not sure. I was thinking about getting bridgestone RE750 but they are like 100 a piece where the falken are like 60 at most a piece? what do i do i need ot pick a tire?!?!?! I am a loyal bridgestone man. help and sorry to jack the thread!</TD></TR></TABLE>

The Azenis is not as good as other tires in the rain. As George will tell you, other factors are more important, like how fast you're going and how much tread you have on your tires, and you can't drive stupid in the rain with any tire. But in the rain, the Azenis doesn't grip as well as other tires with smaller tread blocks.

Isn't 195/50-15 too small for most Accords? What year and version is your Accord? If you can use 195/50-15, then I would recommend the Goodyear F1 GS-D3 for a high horsepower car that will be driven at least occasionally in rain. Excellent on dry pavement, and outstanding in the rain - as good as the S-03 or better, but significantly less expensive. The F1 GS-D3 won the comparison test of top-of-the-line tires in the December Car and Driver (which did not include the Azenis).

I don't prefer any one brand over another, just because most brands have some excellent tire choices and some that are not good at all. The Bridgestone RE750 is their "budget performance tire", for people who are looking for value as well as performance, but it is WAY overpriced; its performance is similar to the Kumho Ecsta SPT and Yokohama ES100, but in most sizes it costs about 60 percent more, making it not a good choice.

However, if you have a high horsepower application, you should really be looking for top-of-the-line tires that can handle your high horsepower, and not trying to save money on budget tires that won't be able to grip the way your high horsepower application needs. The best size depends on which version Accord you have; if it's 195/50-15, I would get the Goodyear F1 GS-D3. If it's 205/50-15, I'd suggest the S-03 (but get 'em quick, since they're being discontinued).

 

for me i need something that has better mileage. I had the 195's and when i got my snow tires on they guy says to me hwy you know those are too small and i had no idea that i could fit the 205's so i want to get 205 50 15's i have drs when i want traction to race so i just need a tire for daily driving on not the nicest roads, yeah i love pa. Good tread life i mean i don't have a lot of cash flow and well my car has 120k so maintanence is building up, but like i said i have snow tires so need a tire that is 205'15's reasonable price good in rain and wet crap but good in dry as well. Yeah i know i needot make up my mind but im sure there is somekind of tire that is a good balance of all? yeah i know bridgestones are expensive but some reaon i like them but too pricey!!! damn it

David

 

ya im basically lookin to see how streetable these drag radails really are....i think im almost dead set on the mt et streets...but ive been lookin also at m&h's 235-60-15 drag radial too...both look very very grippy...hopefully i wont be needing another set half way thru the summer...and itll def help me nail my 12 sec slip this season...

so basically for big hp street cars....the choices are basicallY
bfg's in 225-50-15...or the new 235 size
mt ET drag radials in 235-60-15
or m&h's drag radials in 235-60-15

boy are these tires gonna be beefy in comparison to my old 205's...

 

they all work great somerequire more of a burnout than others but see what u can get for the price!

 

well the bfgs are 120 a pop....the et's are 150ish...and the m&h's are 140....so its really not much seperating all of them...and ill give'm plenty of heat....im sick of having to chase down dsms from the hole...now i just wanna toast'm but still be able to drive my car as a daily beater if needed

 

i kind of liked the mt but hey buy and fit what you can, for me i need something that can handle the power in the curves , thats my most important quality now!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by pumafeet10 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">for me i need something that has better mileage. I had the 195's and when i got my snow tires on they guy says to me hwy you know those are too small and i had no idea that i could fit the 205's so i want to get 205 50 15's i have drs when i want traction to race so i just need a tire for daily driving on not the nicest roads</TD></TR></TABLE>

There are tires that last a reasonably long time and will give you good performance (including wet roads) and won't cost an arm and a leg. What year and version is your Accord?

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by pumafeet10 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i know bridgestones are expensive but some reaon i like them but too pricey!!!</TD></TR></TABLE>

I can recommend the brand and model tire that is best for your needs. Don't get hung up on buying by brand name. In most cases, Bridgestone is more expensive than similar tires of other brands. You can often get better tires for less money with other brands.

 

thats what im looking for i need the best tire for a 96 accord ex 4dr summer tire good price good tread... u know my story.. i am making a good amount power but i need something for dd, i know i drive an accord but i like to carve like everyone else!

david

 

but what too choose there are too many and i know the treadwear rating is just used between models for a brand but from my experience they are all relatively good to use, but im jsut not sure? help

 

Treadwear rating is very sketchy. The problem is that the evaluate the tire only on the first few percent of it's life. Some tires wear out quickly at first and some don't. Tire rack has a pretty good explanation. Like you said, it is useful between models but not brands.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tire Rack &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
The problem with UTQG Treadwear Grades is that they are open to some interpretation on the part of the tire manufacturer because they are assigned after the tire has only experienced a little treadwear as it runs the 7,200 miles. This means that the tire manufacturers need to extrapolate their raw wear data when they are assigning Treadwear Grades, and that their grades can to some extent reflect how conservative or optimistic their marketing department is. Typically, comparing the Treadwear Grades of tire lines within a single brand is somewhat helpful, while attempting to compare the grades between different brands is not as helpful</TD></TR></TABLE>

Full article on UTQG

Cheers.

 

than i gues i can wait till someone spits out some results for me or can enlighten me as to where i can find the info i need!

Thanks

David