superchared vr6's weigh like 2800lbs put down about 250whp@8psi with just an exaust. how would this compare to a supercharged GSR running the same, 8psi and exaust, nothnig else?

not talking a race, just a comparison. thanks

 

you would not likely to put down 250 whp @ 8psi with a supercharger on a GSR

 

Wrong forum, put this in the racing forum.

 

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yes but with the weight difference....

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read homie.

 

there would be a very small difference between the 2. Like 150 lbs. Plus the vr6 would more than likely make more tq. Another big difference would be gearing

 

you are looking at closer to 225 hp with the 8 psi on a vr6. my one friend made 240/220 at about 9 psi on a supercharged vr last year. this motor is in a mk2 golf and ran low 13's.


to be honest with you, the vr6 and gsr motors make pretty close to the same power per psi rates from what ive found, and if you buy an mk3 both cars should be in the mid to high 13 second range.

 

What exactly are u trying to compare?? Most vr6's that are supercharged utilze the vortec type blower that acts more like a turbo but doesnt reach full boost until redline. Most gsr's run the jackson charger which will get full boost real early...I would assume that the gsr would be a fun car on the street/traffic and the vr6 would be a blast on the highway

 

they are a total blast on the highway, especially with that long gearing it just keeps pulling and pulling

 

The vr6 superchargered will prob make at least 100lbs more torque then the gsr. The vr6 is the only somewhat good engine vw actually makes all the rest are **** in my opinion.

 

the vr6 is the biggest pos engine vw ever made, the only reason the cars run well is from the large displacemnt, and the resulting wide powerband.

the gsr would win anyway, and the vr6 driver would complain of "not enough traction"

 

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hahaaha i agree. especially around here, some of the local dorks regard the vr6 as the jesus of fast cars. heh, not in reality. just feels fast cuz it has lots of tq and at a low rpm.

now the 20v 1.8t is another story imo

 

I made 295 whp in my SC Vr6 but I also had cams. That was at 10 psi. It depends on which fueling solution he is using. Most of the stuff out now is conservative. If he is just on the standard old school AMS software, he may have 235-250. If its a VF Engineering Kit he is probably 260 whp at most. I was running a BEGI and a Z engineering chip that was mapped for the cams. My guess is that once you guys shift to 3rd he starts putting some cars on you real quick.

 

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the gsr would win anyway, and the vr6 driver would complain of "not enough traction"</TD></TR></TABLE>

wow, ^^thats the most ignorant thing i've read on here in a while.

the s/c application for the vr6 in this case would be from c2motorsports, good for up to 12psi on stg1 fueling, and that would be good close to 270whp with everything esle being stock. i know a few people with this set up making those numbers and its been very reliable and the software is the best it gets.

but the gsr would be a more reliable car all around so im leaning tawards the blown gsr. i just have to research a little more, check out dyno carts ect.

 

Neuspeed SC for VR6 = Roots blower
Vortech SC = centrifugal

Quite frankly, Vortech SC's are always inferior to all other forms of forced induction. The only good thing about it is ease of install and simple design to adapt most engine bays.

I've seen such race happen in person, Vortech VR6's simply could never put the power down on the streets. Not because it is making "mad" power, but power is peaky and introduced very late in the powerband. The car isn't a blast on the highway either because once you shift out of powerband, it's a waiting game until you get back into the powerband. Whenever a centrifugal SC powered car races another car within very close power range (ie: turbo) and weight, it usually loses.

Neuspeed SC's on the other hand are really torquey, but a bit too much torque for a FWD VW. But the non-intercooled design limits big power numbers.

A JRSC GSR would be a better car IMO.

 

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c2motorsports, software is the best it gets.
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c2 pulls too much timing at the first detection of knock, limiting power made, even if you are just below the knock threshold, you can have a handful of degrees taken out.

i almost remember hearing somewhere that the eip st2 turbo chip (dont quote me on it) worked rather well with the vortech setup.


go look on the fi forum of http://www.vwvortex.com and see what you come up with for yourself

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tony the Tiger &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Neuspeed SC for VR6 = Roots blower
Vortech SC = centrifugal

Quite frankly, Vortech SC's are always inferior to all other forms of forced induction. The only good thing about it is ease of install and simple design to adapt most engine bays.

I've seen such race happen in person, Vortech VR6's simply could never put the power down on the streets. Not because it is making "mad" power, but power is peaky and introduced very late in the powerband. The car isn't a blast on the highway either because once you shift out of powerband, it's a waiting game until you get back into the powerband. Whenever a centrifugal SC powered car races another car within very close power range (ie: turbo) and weight, it usually loses.

Neuspeed SC's on the other hand are really torquey, but a bit too much torque for a FWD VW. But the non-intercooled design limits big power numbers.

A JRSC GSR would be a better car IMO.</TD></TR></TABLE>

neuspeed?

 

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wow, ^^thats the most ignorant thing i've read on here in a while.

the s/c application for the vr6 in this case would be from c2motorsports, good for up to 12psi on stg1 fueling, and that would be good close to 270whp with everything esle being stock. i know a few people with this set up making those numbers and its been very reliable and the software is the best it gets.

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Actually your post is the most ingnoratnt thing I have read. Lugnuts has tuned several 600+ hp vr6T's not to mention numerous high hp 4cyl. VW motors. If there is anyone qualified to say what is or isn't a POS as far as VW motors go he is it.

As for C2 being the best software out there I beg to differ.The software has nice driveability but doesn't make power.

 

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ok, well, im a fan of both the gsr and vr6. so naturally im going to be a little agravated to read a statement like "the vr6 is a pos" just like i would if someone were to say the same about the gsr. but since *LUGNUTS* is the vw motor guru, maybe he can chim in again to explain his statement. maybe i can learn something i didnt know about the motor. i'd also be curious to know what his vw motor of choice is.

 

one thing i have never understood about vw is why they didnt make the vr6 in 20v or something? they didnt even make it 16v lol for an motor that big u would think they would, anyone know the reason behind this?

 

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newer ones are 24v

 

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newer ones are 24v </TD></TR></TABLE>

about time!

 

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but since *LUGNUTS* is the vw motor guru, maybe he can chim in again to explain his statement. maybe i can learn something i didnt know about the motor. i'd also be curious to know what his vw motor of choice is. </TD></TR></TABLE>

spill the beans

 

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just for reference w/c2 @ 8psi 244whp-218lb/tq everything stock including exaust
http://www.grunionfabrication.....html


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yea this is what i'm comming up with too by research, so this leaves me looking at other things besides performance, i like the idea of a 4dr gsr s/c if i could find one

 

i didnt mean to ruffle any feathers.... just a small crack since i'm a vw guy on a honda board, plus i have a passat vr6 daily driver that i like to pick on.

sc vr6, theres one or 2 guys that went really quick with them.... just saw on vortex forget the screen name.... but turbo is fast because you get the boost earlier in the rpm range and if you can get the power down they really fly.
good luck with whatever you do

 

I happen to be a very big fan of the vr6 in a daily driver but it does make poor power for its displacement. Having said that I actually have a vr6 with a s/c as a daily. Its a very fun car No its not the quickest thing out there but its dead relaible and quick enough for me. Dynoed 248whp on a Mustang Dyno. Note I am NOT using C2 software.

As for actually going fast with em the only car that is really putting it down is Supercharged-Jetta on vwvortex.com. Search his user name there for more info.

The only gsr s/c experience I have was in a a friends 94 coupe. I was not impressed by the jackson racing at all in that car, nor have I seen many run that great at the track. With as many inexpensive turbo kits that exist for the gsr I would recommend going that route if you end up with the honda.

Feel free to ask any vr6 questions you may have. Some of us actually like the motor.