Question about thin headgaskets, CR, JRSC and HP. Some technical stuff..
Ok, This is probably gonna get deleted, but damnit, I can't seem to get any help and I know there are some knowledgeable guys in the Accord forum. This is a damn "Technical" website and if the questions not dealin w/a freakin intake or exhaust, it's hard to get help.
. Just apply this to an Accord (it's relevant since it is dealing w/headgaskets, hp, CR and reliability) so please, don't lock it.
Just read.
First off, I have either a blown headgasket or a cracked head. I don't know which it is but I"ll be finding out soon.
I'm just tryin to think ahead here so I know what to do.
Basically, since I'm gonna be replacing the headgasket, I figured I'd look into a thinner one to raise the CR.
From this link http://www.bojangs.com/calculator/ , I came up w/a 10.44 CR for my stock GSR using a 1 layer gasket (did I do that right??)
So, my first question:
What is this worth as far as HP?
I don't think it was in any of Team Integra's threads in the article section.
Also, I understand that I'll have to buy cam gears and get it timed to make full use of my higher CR.
2nd and 3rd questions:
Next year is the year for performance in my car, and I'm goin w/a JRSC setup.
Would it be wise to go w/a thinner headgasket if in my future lies a SC thats gonan raise my CR when I'm under boost?
Would a thicker headgasket be ideal so as to have a lil more protection from it blowing?
4th question:
I've been around old school hot rodding all my life, and whenever an engine was built, the heads were ported and polished using a dremel.
Would it be smarter for me to just do a gasket matching/smoothing out the ridges port job or take it somewhere and have them do it?
I know having someone else do it would be best, but obviously that would be more expensive and I don''t have that kinda $$$ now, and since I woudl already have the head off, it woudl be convienient.
Basically, I don't wanna end up hurting my performance in the long run.
5th and final question and probably the more noobish one.
I know when you start changing things such as the airflow, CR and whatnot, that it's most beneficial to upgrade the ECU and have it dyno tuned.
Say I did use a 1 layer headgasket/cam gears/DIY head porting, would that necessitate say Hondata and dyno time?
I plan on using Hondata S200 when I do my JRSC stuff.
And just to let you know about where I want power, I'd rather have low-mid, useable daily hp/tq than uber high, bragging rights peak dyno #'s.
I also understand to make the full use of higher CR and head porting I need upgraded header/cat/exhaust,ect: But I don't an extra grand to drop into a complete system at the moment, so I'll just have to get by with what I've got (stock stuff)
I've done a good bit of research and I searched here and didn't find what I was looking for. Hopefully my questions aren't too stupid :S
Thanks for any help and sorry for the long post and please..
Don't lock this!! I need some info so I know which direction to go.
. Just apply this to an Accord (it's relevant since it is dealing w/headgaskets, hp, CR and reliability) so please, don't lock it.
Just read.First off, I have either a blown headgasket or a cracked head. I don't know which it is but I"ll be finding out soon.
I'm just tryin to think ahead here so I know what to do.
Basically, since I'm gonna be replacing the headgasket, I figured I'd look into a thinner one to raise the CR.
From this link http://www.bojangs.com/calculator/ , I came up w/a 10.44 CR for my stock GSR using a 1 layer gasket (did I do that right??)
So, my first question:
What is this worth as far as HP?
I don't think it was in any of Team Integra's threads in the article section.
Also, I understand that I'll have to buy cam gears and get it timed to make full use of my higher CR.
2nd and 3rd questions:
Next year is the year for performance in my car, and I'm goin w/a JRSC setup.
Would it be wise to go w/a thinner headgasket if in my future lies a SC thats gonan raise my CR when I'm under boost?
Would a thicker headgasket be ideal so as to have a lil more protection from it blowing?
4th question:
I've been around old school hot rodding all my life, and whenever an engine was built, the heads were ported and polished using a dremel.
Would it be smarter for me to just do a gasket matching/smoothing out the ridges port job or take it somewhere and have them do it?
I know having someone else do it would be best, but obviously that would be more expensive and I don''t have that kinda $$$ now, and since I woudl already have the head off, it woudl be convienient.
Basically, I don't wanna end up hurting my performance in the long run.
5th and final question and probably the more noobish one.
I know when you start changing things such as the airflow, CR and whatnot, that it's most beneficial to upgrade the ECU and have it dyno tuned.
Say I did use a 1 layer headgasket/cam gears/DIY head porting, would that necessitate say Hondata and dyno time?
I plan on using Hondata S200 when I do my JRSC stuff.
And just to let you know about where I want power, I'd rather have low-mid, useable daily hp/tq than uber high, bragging rights peak dyno #'s.
I also understand to make the full use of higher CR and head porting I need upgraded header/cat/exhaust,ect: But I don't an extra grand to drop into a complete system at the moment, so I'll just have to get by with what I've got (stock stuff)
I've done a good bit of research and I searched here and didn't find what I was looking for. Hopefully my questions aren't too stupid :S
Thanks for any help and sorry for the long post and please..
Don't lock this!! I need some info so I know which direction to go.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mac_24_seven »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
From this link http://www.bojangs.com/calculator/ , I came up w/a 10.44 CR for my stock GSR using a 1 layer gasket (did I do that right??)
So, my first question:
What is this worth as far as HP?</TD></TR></TABLE>
sounds about right. horsepower, it's not worth a whole lot. a couple of ponies maybe.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mac_24_seven »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Would it be wise to go w/a thinner headgasket if in my future lies a SC thats gonan raise my CR when I'm under boost?<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
NO THAT IS A BAD IDEA. Higher CR = greater chance of detonation with boost, less margin of error in tuning.
[QUOTE=mac_24_seven]Would a thicker headgasket be ideal so as to have a lil more protection from it blowing?</TD></TR></TABLE>
YES! lower CR + boost = better margin of error, less chance of detonation
[QUOTE=mac_24_seven]Would it be smarter for me to just do a gasket matching/smoothing out the ridges port job or take it somewhere and have them do it?</TD></TR></TABLE>
it wouldn't hurt to DIY, provided you don't take off too much material or leave sharp edges which will interrupt airflow.
Of course a pro job is a better idea but is also $$$.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mac_24_seven »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Say I did use a 1 layer headgasket/cam gears/DIY head porting, would that necessitate say Hondata and dyno time?</TD></TR></TABLE>
NO it will not require a standalone, your stock ECU should be fine. You would want to get on a dyno to tune your cam gears however.
Hope this helps. My recommendation, provided you ARE going to boost it, is to definitely get a thicker HG to lower your CR some, as a stock GSR has a pretty high CR already for boost. I'd try the DIY porting if you feel confident about it. Good luck with your project! -B
From this link http://www.bojangs.com/calculator/ , I came up w/a 10.44 CR for my stock GSR using a 1 layer gasket (did I do that right??)
So, my first question:
What is this worth as far as HP?</TD></TR></TABLE>
sounds about right. horsepower, it's not worth a whole lot. a couple of ponies maybe.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mac_24_seven »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Would it be wise to go w/a thinner headgasket if in my future lies a SC thats gonan raise my CR when I'm under boost?<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
NO THAT IS A BAD IDEA. Higher CR = greater chance of detonation with boost, less margin of error in tuning.
[QUOTE=mac_24_seven]Would a thicker headgasket be ideal so as to have a lil more protection from it blowing?</TD></TR></TABLE>
YES! lower CR + boost = better margin of error, less chance of detonation
[QUOTE=mac_24_seven]Would it be smarter for me to just do a gasket matching/smoothing out the ridges port job or take it somewhere and have them do it?</TD></TR></TABLE>
it wouldn't hurt to DIY, provided you don't take off too much material or leave sharp edges which will interrupt airflow.
Of course a pro job is a better idea but is also $$$.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mac_24_seven »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Say I did use a 1 layer headgasket/cam gears/DIY head porting, would that necessitate say Hondata and dyno time?</TD></TR></TABLE>
NO it will not require a standalone, your stock ECU should be fine. You would want to get on a dyno to tune your cam gears however.
Hope this helps. My recommendation, provided you ARE going to boost it, is to definitely get a thicker HG to lower your CR some, as a stock GSR has a pretty high CR already for boost. I'd try the DIY porting if you feel confident about it. Good luck with your project! -B
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