Hey guys just wondering if this seemed right to you. I have a B18C1 that has been some what and the car is built as follows.

1992 civic HB SI
Eagle crank and rods (stock stroke), GE sleeves
Wiesco 11.8:1 pistons (30 overbore from stock)
Portflow head with ferra valves, Crower springs and retainers
GSR cams
JDM type R 4-1 header, short ram intake, stock GSR intake manifold IAB disabled
Omni test pipe, megan catback exhaust.
Excedy stage 1 clutch and fidenza flywheel
GSR tranny
No AC, gutted interior, 15x6.5 rims and 195-50-15 street tires.
P72 ecu, Innovative Wideband O2

My question is that in Colorado at PMI raceway in Colorado Springs (actually in pueblo) I was only able to click off a 15.9. Does that seem right? I have heard that the altitude up there slows cars down, but that much? I am hearing of other civic HB's running faster with just a stock GSR motor swapped in. Just need some honest opinions. Thanks

 

man there's a problem with that track time, i think you can run hi 13's with your setup, low 14's will be ok, how about your 60ft time? mph?

 

R/T .543
60Ft 2.480
1/4 15.9
MPH 88.21

 

there's definetely something wrong with that

 

I am thinking that the GSR cams are hurting the setup that i have or maybe it's the altitude up there. The other thing was that I was having to baby it to keep it from spinning first and second because it would start to spin, maybe some slicks? What ever it is I am stumped. The motor has about 8000 miles on it. Oil pressure is fine, and the compression test I did today was 250, 245,243, 251. AFR's are right where they shoud be and it seems to run fine. Please HELP!!!

 

I have a similar setup...EG hatch, GSR with 81.5mm 11.5:1 CP pistons, Eagle rods, stock stroke, B16 head with no portwork, Skunk2 springs and retainers, Buddy Club spec 4 cams, dented 4-1 dcsports header, Skunk2 intake mani, itr throttle body, ITR trans (4.40). So far the best my car did was a 13.5 @ 99 with a 1.9 60' untuned (running on a chipped P28) at Atco Raceway in Atco, NJ. Not sure what the altitude is there, but i cant see it making that big of a difference. You setup definitly be somewhere near mine. Did you ever dyno your car to see what kind of power it makes?

 

Unfortunately I got re stationed to Alamogordo New Mexico before I could Dyno so I have no idea what it is putting out. Sounds like the I need cams, IM, and a new TB. I hope that that will help. Still open for ideas, suggestions, or any other thoughts... BTW do those compression readings seem low to you guys? I was expecting a little higher from 11.8:1 Comp ratio...

 

id htink that the lack of tuning might make a difference.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sal &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have a similar setup...EG hatch, GSR with 81.5mm 11.5:1 CP pistons, Eagle rods, stock stroke, B16 head with no portwork, Skunk2 springs and retainers, Buddy Club spec 4 cams, dented 4-1 dcsports header, Skunk2 intake mani, itr throttle body, ITR trans (4.40). So far the best my car did was a 13.5 @ 99 with a 1.9 60' untuned (running on a chipped P28) at Atco Raceway in Atco, NJ. Not sure what the altitude is there, but i cant see it making that big of a difference. You setup definitly be somewhere near mine. Did you ever dyno your car to see what kind of power it makes? </TD></TR></TABLE> ITR trans is 4.78
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mugenhatchie &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">R/T .543
60Ft 2.480
1/4 15.9
MPH 88.21</TD></TR></TABLE> Ur problem is a 2.5 60ft. you should be hitting like 1.9-2.0

 

altitude, tuning, 60ft time is horrible

 

Yea i agree with the bad 60 ft time..If ur spinning maybe try launching at a lower rpm? Tuning might help u out too. I have a gsr block with b16 head and cams, dc type r header,generic intake, apexi n1 exhaust+test pipe in my 97 civic ex--weighed in at 2715... My **** has never quit burning oil (600miles on rebuild), isnt tuned, and had a full throttle launch controller set at 4g(bogged off the line terribly) .351rt, 2.562 60ft, ran a 15.6 at 91.7 mph..u should deffinately be running way faster..like at least low 14's..

 

i see a couple problems with your set up....

-in my opinion your car seems under cammed and needs to breathe much more. You stock intake manifold/tb, stock gsr cams, type R 4-1 are all parts I'd want to swap out esp to make more power.

-have you tuned? you mentioned your on a stock ecu and a wideband...but no mention of a tuning device of any kind. Esp when you reaching into higher compression levels, A/F ratio becomes more essential for power making.

-although your 60ft times are pretty , even clikcing off a nice 2.0 60 ft time would still land you in the 15's....
your 88mph trap is telling how much power your acutally putting down.

-track in colorado is like a mile high right? altitdude must be killing you.

---- get some more parts, get it tuned, get some real tires/slicks amd if you can, take it to a better track!

 

get skunk2 rpo1 cams and a good intake manifold.

did you spin out to much with those tires it could be the driver but I dont think you could expletive it up that bad but for your set up u should be doing mid to high 13's

 

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I have a USDM ITR trans... that comes with a 4.40 final drive stock. I'm pretty sure only the 98+ JDM ITR trannys come with the 4.78 stock.

 

I'd figure out the issue before buying anything new.

Forget the time for a minute and look at the traps: 88mph. That is slower than a bone stock LS should be in that car. Hell, I bet the stock D16 could hit 88 mph traps. I'd expect a stock B18C1 to trap high 90s in a 92 hatch.

Somehwere, you are down seriously on power. I suppose it could be due to the altitude, but something defiantely doesn't look right.


Do you have anyo other reference times other cars ran at that track? I'd expect that setup to click off a high 13-low 14 without too much trouble. Other NA cars that can do that would be a stock LT1 camaro, later mustang GT (like say a 99-04), 350Z, etc. So, if those cars were running 15s, then it would be the altitude. Turbo cars aren't a godo judge, since they can forc ein more boost to compensate for altitude.

 

are you feathering out the clutch when you launch? you can't just pop it when you launch. same thing with the gas pedal. you can't just slam it to the floor when you're launching. what kinda tires did you run?

i would say number one thing thats hurting your right now is CAMS + IM. throttle body would really help. search for maxbore he'll hook your **** up for $100. second thing is seat time. good luck!

 

Thanks again for all of your help. I really appreciate it! Another Car that ran was a fully built DOHC ZC in a fully gutted EF chassis that clicked off low 14's on slicks. The tires I ran were nankang 195-50-r15 temp A, Trac A just your normal street tires. I was launching at 3300 and feathering the throttle and clutch otherwise the car would spin through second and halfway through third. I thought something didn't seem right because my old 97 EK four door ran low 16's at sea level. Also I do believe that the track is over a mile high where I ran my EG. From what I gather I need cams, IM, TB, some slicks, New header (AN-r Compact coming soon!!!) and a good tune to get where I should be. I have a chipped P72 ready for uberdata, and a 30-1000 AEM EMS. The problem is that there are no tuners where I am stationed in Alamogordo New Mexico. What suggestions as far as parts do you guys have??

 

Thought id say whattup.Im from lancaster.And those times dont seem right at all.

 

go to a dyno with a good tunner so he can tune the car with uber or something like...

 

Even with a 2.4-2.5 60ft your trap speed is horrible....there is something wrong. Tune your car asap your setup should put down 180 ish thats good for 13's all day. I totally feel u, all that work and money for 15's.

 

if your car isnt built for something of that altitude of course its gonna run like garbage...

 

hella slow!

 

Something is definately wrong. 15.9 @ 88 mph is not even near what your car is capable of running. I know people have already said this but you need a tune, or at least a basemap. Check my sig, you should be somewhere around where I'm at, but then again maybe the altitude might play a role.

 

I think there is a few disadvantages that are holding you back. You need cams, a better 60 ft, and to go to sea level.tuing would also help, even tho that trapspeed is pretty low, you also have to think how high above sea level you are. I dont know if it will play that big of a factor on your trap but i'm sure it plays a bit.

 

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Ur problem is a 2.5 60ft. you should be hitting like 1.9-2.0</TD></TR></TABLE>

Show me where you're getting a 2.0 60 on street tires.......