Do you think building a 95mm stroke B series will be a waste of time now that there are K series motors? I can get a good deal on a Eagle stroker kit right now and i been thinking about buying it. BUt i am not sure if it will be a waste of money, or if i should just go K series and stop trying to do a B.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Power Rev Racing &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Do you think building a 95mm stroke B series will be a waste of time now that there are K series motors? </TD></TR></TABLE>
I hope not. I just put a 95mm motor together

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Power Rev Racing &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Do you think building a 95mm stroke B series will be a waste of time now that there are K series motors? I can get a good deal on a Eagle stroker kit right now and i been thinking about buying it. BUt i am not sure if it will be a waste of money, or if i should just go K series and stop trying to do a B. </TD></TR></TABLE>

do it I'm workin on one right now and the price of getting a k and putting it in my eg isn't worth it imo, at this time. Just play w/ b's!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by murtnabila &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">do it I'm workin on one right now and the price of getting a k and putting it in my eg isn't worth it imo, at this time. Just play w/ b's!</TD></TR></TABLE>

The price of putting a K in is honestly not that bad. Its just that your forced to buy some things early. Like headers and a good ecu, and good fueling. These are all things we would want to do to a B series too. The K just requires them to be put into a car.

I really should go K everytime i think about it. But at the same time I would not mind doing that B series build. I am just afraid that I might not reach 230 hp with it.

 

get a 95mm crank get your block sleeved to 86mm(2.2L) and 230hp should be a breeze

 

Also keep in mind that on some cars (ie ED/EF) K-series swaps pose some grave difficulties that you might not want to deal with. Problems like not being able to be smog legal, having to install the motor from the bottom (the difference between DIY and having to pay someone to do it if you don't have a lift of your own), having to remove the engine from the car to do almost anything semi-serious (and thus the previous problem), and probably never again being able to have A/C are reason enough for me not to do a K-series swap. Yes, you can make more power. But what good is a car that is nearly impossible to register here in CA with no A/C in summer that I have to pay someone BIG bucks to do a cam swap on? So if this is YOUR situation, you just have to ask yourself 'How much do you REALLY want it?'

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by StorminMatt &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Also keep in mind that on some cars (ie ED/EF) K-series swaps pose some grave difficulties that you might not want to deal with. Problems like not being able to be smog legal, having to install the motor from the bottom (the difference between DIY and having to pay someone to do it if you don't have a lift of your own), having to remove the engine from the car to do almost anything semi-serious (and thus the previous problem), and probably never again being able to have A/C are reason enough for me not to do a K-series swap. Yes, you can make more power. But what good is a car that is nearly impossible to register here in CA with no A/C in summer that I have to pay someone BIG bucks to do a cam swap on? So if this is YOUR situation, you just have to ask yourself 'How much do you REALLY want it?'</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah that makes sense. Good thing florida does not have smog test. I dont even know how smog test work lol. I am building a race car, so i dont really care about ac or anything. I have a everyday driver already. this is going to be a race car. things is. I deffinatly know i have a choice. Built B series or stock K with bolts ons and ecu. I think i am going to go with the K though. I think a B series with 230 hp vs a K with 220. The K should win because of better gearing and stuff

 

if race car go k...but why shoot for 230? 95mm crank/86mm bore and you can shoot 4 high 200 near 300

 

Have you guys ever noticed TQ is directly related to engine wear?

 

I think a bit part of it is enjoying it maybe some will see this as a bit O/T but Bs are fun easier to work on the Ks *imo but i'm not a pro builder or anywhere near that*

even with the K making great #s and not much time in them the B still is making gains and its 10 years old +.

I don't really care about having the bestest just somthing I want B can do that for me so I went with a B.

As brought up before sticking them into older cars 4th gens *i've yet to see one into a 3rd gen* is a total pain, so thats another reason not to do so atleast for me.

Just my thoughts on this.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by LsVtec92Hatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Have you guys ever noticed TQ is directly related to engine wear?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah, but thats a part of racing. especially in a race car.

 

for me..i prefer peeps to say "woaahhh...he breaks 9sec in Bs!!" rather than.. "aaah so what,he is doing 9s again..in k"...

but i know sumday i will have to go with K,i had fun with Ds..and moved to Bs only like 4-5 years ago..im not done with B.. so,i'll giv K a wait.. may be soon..as im planning to put a K20 in my street EF9 as a start..while i enjoy my B in my race car..hehehe

 

how do you define "worth" or "waste", as those are different for everyone?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by StorminMatt &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Also keep in mind that on some cars (ie ED/EF) K-series swaps pose some grave difficulties that you might not want to deal with. Problems like not being able to be smog legal, having to install the motor from the bottom (the difference between DIY and having to pay someone to do it if you don't have a lift of your own), having to remove the engine from the car to do almost anything semi-serious '</TD></TR></TABLE>

please tell me how you have to install the engine from the bottom??

 

i installed mine from the top......

the only down fall i see with K swapped EF's is you have to trim the rear cross member to fit a nice header and the hood clearance issues, but other than that its the same as any other chassi....I am glad i made the switch to K...its well worth the money....no matter what motor you build parts are expensive whether its a sohc or a K20....IMO you might as well shell out the extra money to start with a better platform....If you have alot of B series parts already than maybe go with the B...but i wouldnt drop 5 to 10K into a B motor when you could get a K swap....but again thats just me

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rusty Shackleferd &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i installed mine from the top......

the only down fall i see with K swapped EF's is you have to trim the rear cross member to fit a nice header and the hood clearance issues, but other than that its the same as any other chassi....I am glad i made the switch to K...its well worth the money....no matter what motor you build parts are expensive whether its a sohc or a K20....IMO you might as well shell out the extra money to start with a better platform....If you have alot of B series parts already than maybe go with the B...but i wouldnt drop 5 to 10K into a B motor when you could get a K swap....but again thats just me

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and you can have AC in a k series swap. holeshot in riverside is working on a kit right now, and they've already done it many times. others have too.

any b series swap is just about as impossible to smog as a k series. my friend got sent to the smog ref with a b16a swap in his civic, and because he didn't have a USDM intake, he had the JDM one, they failed him. wow.

for the same 200 bucks it takes me to "smog" a b series in california, it takes the same 200 bucks to "smog" the k series

and whoever said they are scared they won't hit 230hp on a kswap..here's one way to get there:
k20a2+IPS cams/valvetrain+decent header/intake+tuning = 230hp easy.
check out : http://www.intrinsicperformance.com/products.html
under "IPS-K2's + all the typical bolt-ons" &lt;~ that's on a k20a2

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Power Rev Racing &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yeah, but thats a part of racing. especially in a race car.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Correct. I never said it was a negative thing. A surplus of torque is generally acceptable.

 

If you wanna be fast go the k route plain and simple.If you wanna spend big money on a b setup and hit what a stock k24/k20a2 combo will do then go ahead.But I personally am done with b's so its K SERIES FTW.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by K SERIES &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you wanna be fast go the k route plain and simple.If you wanna spend big money on a b setup and hit what a stock k24/k20a2 combo will do then go ahead.But I personally am done with b's so its K SERIES FTW.</TD></TR></TABLE>

What is "fast"? How fast is "fast"? Or are you talking quick? I ask because you don't need a back-hoe if you are just trying to dig a fence post hole. Most of us will do just fine with a B motor, and it is certainly more simple and compatible with older chassis's. That said, the K has its place, and will certainly become more popular as it explored and maped, and the chassis it fits nicely with become older and cheaper.

 

how is with reliability of 95mm stroker engine?

 

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Modified by impound at 4:41 PM 10/26/2006