Help... My R feels loose around corners
Here is my suspension setup:
Ground control coilover
Koni yellows f&r (rear stiff all the way and front is 1/4 away from full firmness)
Ingalls camber kit f&r
All anti sway bars and rear lower bar is tight
Spoon upper rear bar tight
New Falken Azenis 215-45-16 w/ 500 miles on them w/ 16in' Spoonys
Alignment Specs:
Front Left: Front Right:
Actual Actual
-0.2 degrees camber -0.1 degree camber
0.8 degrees caster 0.6 degree caster
-0.01 degrees toe 0.07degree toe
Rear Left: Rear Right:
Actual Actual
-1.8 degree camber -2.25 camber
0.10 degree toe 0.06 degree toe
This setup is just for the street and it feels loose when I take corners even at moderate speeds, does the toe need to be in some ? 1/16 maybe ...thanks
Ground control coilover
Koni yellows f&r (rear stiff all the way and front is 1/4 away from full firmness)
Ingalls camber kit f&r
All anti sway bars and rear lower bar is tight
Spoon upper rear bar tight
New Falken Azenis 215-45-16 w/ 500 miles on them w/ 16in' Spoonys
Alignment Specs:
Front Left: Front Right:
Actual Actual
-0.2 degrees camber -0.1 degree camber
0.8 degrees caster 0.6 degree caster
-0.01 degrees toe 0.07degree toe
Rear Left: Rear Right:
Actual Actual
-1.8 degree camber -2.25 camber
0.10 degree toe 0.06 degree toe
This setup is just for the street and it feels loose when I take corners even at moderate speeds, does the toe need to be in some ? 1/16 maybe ...thanks
Don't set Konis at full stiff. It can destroy the valving. Set it to full stiff and back it off a hair.
If it's too loose you can do a few things to fix it:
1) Stiffen up the front through either springs or valving
2) Reduce rear spring rates
3) MORE GAS
The biggest problem is your toe settings. Fix your rear toe. It should be zeroed out, or slightly in. This makes a big difference. You need more front camber too + there is too much in the back.
Warren
If it's too loose you can do a few things to fix it:
1) Stiffen up the front through either springs or valving
2) Reduce rear spring rates
3) MORE GAS
The biggest problem is your toe settings. Fix your rear toe. It should be zeroed out, or slightly in. This makes a big difference. You need more front camber too + there is too much in the back.
Warren
Why do you have the dampers maxxed out on the street??
If you have to max them out then you're not running enough spring rate (which you have failed to mention btw). The purpose of dampers is not to stiffen the suspension, but to modulate the oscillation of the springs.
Read this article from Grassroots Motorsports on damper design and adjustment theory.
http://www.grmotorsports.com/shocks.html
If you have to max them out then you're not running enough spring rate (which you have failed to mention btw). The purpose of dampers is not to stiffen the suspension, but to modulate the oscillation of the springs.Read this article from Grassroots Motorsports on damper design and adjustment theory.
http://www.grmotorsports.com/shocks.html
Get a good alignment. You're toe is off all around. The biggest reason you're car is loose is the rear toe being out instead of in. That will make a HUGE difference. I had less toe than that in the rear of my car and went to zero all around and the difference was night and day at highway speeds in turns.
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Alignment Specs:
Front Left: Front Right:
Actual Actual
-0.2 degrees camber -0.1 degree camber
0.8 degrees caster 0.6 degree caster
-0.01 degrees toe 0.07degree toe
Rear Left: Rear Right:
Actual Actual
-1.8 degree camber -2.25 camber
0.10 degree toe 0.06 degree toe
This setup is just for the street and it feels loose when I take corners even at moderate speeds, does the toe need to be in some ? 1/16 maybe ...thanks
Front Left: Front Right:
Actual Actual
-0.2 degrees camber -0.1 degree camber
0.8 degrees caster 0.6 degree caster
-0.01 degrees toe 0.07degree toe
Rear Left: Rear Right:
Actual Actual
-1.8 degree camber -2.25 camber
0.10 degree toe 0.06 degree toe
This setup is just for the street and it feels loose when I take corners even at moderate speeds, does the toe need to be in some ? 1/16 maybe ...thanks
I just figured out why I felt high after reading these #s... isn't toe usually measured in fractions of an inch (e.g., 1/16") as opposed to degrees, or can it be measured that way, too?
What feels loose? Back or front? Is it that the steering feels a little jittery? Like it wants to walk wherever it feels like without telling you.
BTW, you can measure it any way...degrees or inches...kinda like degrees vs. the equivalent radians in trig.
BTW, you can measure it any way...degrees or inches...kinda like degrees vs. the equivalent radians in trig.
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