k20a(R) in an ep3
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k20a(R) in an ep3
i'm putting this in the right section now...
i would just like to know what some of you guys think about doing this swap. and if possible, could you let me know what i can expect to pay for install on this. i have already found two web sites that sell the motor.
http://www.hmotorsonline.com/s...30014
http://www.jspecautosports.com...id=13
i would just like to know what some of you guys think about doing this swap. and if possible, could you let me know what i can expect to pay for install on this. i have already found two web sites that sell the motor.
http://www.hmotorsonline.com/s...30014
http://www.jspecautosports.com...id=13
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Re: k20a(R) in an ep3 (maxxjq)
If you go with the real k20a be prepared to pay over $5k for just the swap, installation will depend on who does the work. The good news is that the k20a will drop right into the ep3. You may want to consider the k20a2. You could get it for several thousand less and can find them pretty easily now.
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Re: k20a(R) in an ep3 (maxxjq)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by maxxjq »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i'm putting this in the right section now...
i would just like to know what some of you guys think about doing this swap.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I think you're about to turn your EP3 Si into the ideal small car.
I just installed a K Pro and K20A(*) package in my DC2 ITR. It dynos at 220 HP even after detuning it for reliability, and that's with a very cheap header because we weren't sure at the time which premium header would be best.
It's a very nice driving car. If it weren't for the fact that it's fully stripped and caged, it would be a very ncie daily driver. I'm positive therefore, that yours will be.
My daily driver now is an HFP CM8. It was such a good buy it was hard to resist. I gotta tell ya, though, I really miss the EP3 sometimes.
I think you're about to make yoruself a very, very nice daily driver.
i would just like to know what some of you guys think about doing this swap.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I think you're about to turn your EP3 Si into the ideal small car.
I just installed a K Pro and K20A(*) package in my DC2 ITR. It dynos at 220 HP even after detuning it for reliability, and that's with a very cheap header because we weren't sure at the time which premium header would be best.
It's a very nice driving car. If it weren't for the fact that it's fully stripped and caged, it would be a very ncie daily driver. I'm positive therefore, that yours will be.
My daily driver now is an HFP CM8. It was such a good buy it was hard to resist. I gotta tell ya, though, I really miss the EP3 sometimes.
I think you're about to make yoruself a very, very nice daily driver.
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Re: k20a(R) in an ep3 (maxxjq)
I am a new member but I do have 02 Ep3 with K20A Type R engine and I just love it. I did modify my engine with Hy Tech cams , springs and retainers , Toda exhaust sprocket ,three angle valve , job some random porting and a Mugen head gasket. I a put oil baffel system in the oil pan and fabed an thermostatic oil cooler system . Im using a Jackson Racing header and an Invidia exhaust. I am also using a K-Pro computer tuned by Authur **** at Track Masters. The car has lots of power(220 at the wheels) it feels like alot more even with the factory LSD the torque steer is tremendous . If you have the money and want lots of get up and go from a all motor set up go for it.
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Re: k20a(R) in an ep3 (maxxjq)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by maxxjq »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">...could you let me know what i can expect to pay for install on this.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I didn't have this list in front of me when I replied before. Here is what I paid for the swap in the DC2 ITR. I know I could've paid less, but I chose to go with reliable people well known to NASA-Virginia and Honda-Tech.
K20A(*) [DC5 ITR] swap. Engine, Transmission, K Pro, fuel rail, FPR and header included: $6500.00
Installation: $1500.00 (this seems to have included dyno time)
As soon as you start the project, you will find yourself confronted with a number of options that will take some thought.
I did not list the total cost of the swap, because there are many items that I would need for a DC2 ITR track car that you would not need for an EP3. E.g., full length dissipator, specially constructed racing axles, two 12" fans, specially constructed mounts to be compatible w/axles and to keep the motor off the ground, etc.
You would not necessarily need the transmission. I heard that the five speed works just fine if that's what you want to do. You wouldn't even need to swap the axles, if you don't want.
However, I would suggest at least the OEM Torsen axle for the K motors. You're going to be putting a lot of power onto the gorund.
I didn't have this list in front of me when I replied before. Here is what I paid for the swap in the DC2 ITR. I know I could've paid less, but I chose to go with reliable people well known to NASA-Virginia and Honda-Tech.
K20A(*) [DC5 ITR] swap. Engine, Transmission, K Pro, fuel rail, FPR and header included: $6500.00
Installation: $1500.00 (this seems to have included dyno time)
As soon as you start the project, you will find yourself confronted with a number of options that will take some thought.
I did not list the total cost of the swap, because there are many items that I would need for a DC2 ITR track car that you would not need for an EP3. E.g., full length dissipator, specially constructed racing axles, two 12" fans, specially constructed mounts to be compatible w/axles and to keep the motor off the ground, etc.
You would not necessarily need the transmission. I heard that the five speed works just fine if that's what you want to do. You wouldn't even need to swap the axles, if you don't want.
However, I would suggest at least the OEM Torsen axle for the K motors. You're going to be putting a lot of power onto the gorund.
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Re: k20a(R) in an ep3 (George Knighton)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by giff74 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> You may want to consider the k20a2. You could get it for several thousand less and can find them pretty easily now. </TD></TR></TABLE>
i did look at the a2 after i posted and it's looking a little better to me than the a. it's cheaper, has a little more power, and it's still 6 speed. i really want the 6 speed cuz i used to have an SVT focus, which died cuz ford sux, and having 6 speed is so much better. there is a shop i go to around here that can definitely do it. the only thing is i have to wait until i come into some money. but i am probably going to end up doing the a2.
i did look at the a2 after i posted and it's looking a little better to me than the a. it's cheaper, has a little more power, and it's still 6 speed. i really want the 6 speed cuz i used to have an SVT focus, which died cuz ford sux, and having 6 speed is so much better. there is a shop i go to around here that can definitely do it. the only thing is i have to wait until i come into some money. but i am probably going to end up doing the a2.
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Re: k20a(R) in an ep3 (maxxjq)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by maxxjq »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
i did look at the a2 after i posted and it's looking a little better to me than the a. it's cheaper, has a little more power, and it's still 6 speed. i really want the 6 speed cuz i used to have an SVT focus, which died cuz ford sux, and having 6 speed is so much better. there is a shop i go to around here that can definitely do it. the only thing is i have to wait until i come into some money. but i am probably going to end up doing the a2.</TD></TR></TABLE>
If I was going to swap that is the direction I would go. I know the k20a is big daddy, but for $5k+ you could have the k20a2, k-pro, IPS cams, I/H/E and be putting down ~220 whp. Or you could get the A2 swap for about $2500 and leave things alone and have a REALLY nice ep3. I like this option because you could spend money in stages.
If you wanted to go another direction the Jackson Racing super charger is a nice package also. For a DD this will let you have a lot more tourque.
i did look at the a2 after i posted and it's looking a little better to me than the a. it's cheaper, has a little more power, and it's still 6 speed. i really want the 6 speed cuz i used to have an SVT focus, which died cuz ford sux, and having 6 speed is so much better. there is a shop i go to around here that can definitely do it. the only thing is i have to wait until i come into some money. but i am probably going to end up doing the a2.</TD></TR></TABLE>
If I was going to swap that is the direction I would go. I know the k20a is big daddy, but for $5k+ you could have the k20a2, k-pro, IPS cams, I/H/E and be putting down ~220 whp. Or you could get the A2 swap for about $2500 and leave things alone and have a REALLY nice ep3. I like this option because you could spend money in stages.
If you wanted to go another direction the Jackson Racing super charger is a nice package also. For a DD this will let you have a lot more tourque.
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If I had the money, and I knew it would pass inspection in DC, I'd definitely go with the K20A.
Realistically, though, I don't even know if I can afford a swap. I'd even consider a K24 variant.
Realistically, though, I don't even know if I can afford a swap. I'd even consider a K24 variant.
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Re: k20a(R) in an ep3 (giff74)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by giff74 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Or you could get the A2 swap for about $2500 and leave things alone and have a REALLY nice ep3.</TD></TR></TABLE>
do you know any place I can get A2 for that much??... I've looked all over ebay but no luck... How much does the brand new A2 go for if i got it from the dealer??....
Or you could get the A2 swap for about $2500 and leave things alone and have a REALLY nice ep3.</TD></TR></TABLE>
do you know any place I can get A2 for that much??... I've looked all over ebay but no luck... How much does the brand new A2 go for if i got it from the dealer??....
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Re: k20a(R) in an ep3 (EP3tune2RULE)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EP3tune2RULE »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">do you know any place I can get A2 for that much??... I've looked all over ebay but no luck... How much does the brand new A2 go for if i got it from the dealer??....</TD></TR></TABLE>
$2500 is definitely an extraordinary price if it includes the transmission. I'd like to know where this price can be found as well
...if it's just the longblock thats about the approximate market value from what I've seen.
The dealer price is likely to be a premium although I haven't looked.
I'm assuming you've already checked out the major suppliers for a used one such as hmotors online (as the OP posted), password jdm, HAP Recycling, truehonda ect. CorSportUSA also has a pretty decent price for the entire swap.
http://www.car-part.com/ is a pretty good search engine where you can locate a swap by price.
I'm also considering this swap at the moment. Its a great option if you are looking to build your car with quite a bit of power to it but still want to keep it well balanced for some track day fun and reliable for the daily drive.
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$2500 is definitely an extraordinary price if it includes the transmission. I'd like to know where this price can be found as well
...if it's just the longblock thats about the approximate market value from what I've seen.The dealer price is likely to be a premium although I haven't looked.
I'm assuming you've already checked out the major suppliers for a used one such as hmotors online (as the OP posted), password jdm, HAP Recycling, truehonda ect. CorSportUSA also has a pretty decent price for the entire swap.
http://www.car-part.com/ is a pretty good search engine where you can locate a swap by price.
I'm also considering this swap at the moment. Its a great option if you are looking to build your car with quite a bit of power to it but still want to keep it well balanced for some track day fun and reliable for the daily drive.
Modified by Tomek at 10:29 PM 3/26/2006
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Re: k20a(R) in an ep3 (Tomek)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EP3tune2RULE »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
do you know any place I can get A2 for that much??... I've looked all over ebay but no luck... How much does the brand new A2 go for if i got it from the dealer??....</TD></TR></TABLE>
Depending on where you are and how much you are willing to travel to get your swap or pay in shipping this has by far the best prices, http://www.car-part.com/index.htm
do you know any place I can get A2 for that much??... I've looked all over ebay but no luck... How much does the brand new A2 go for if i got it from the dealer??....</TD></TR></TABLE>
Depending on where you are and how much you are willing to travel to get your swap or pay in shipping this has by far the best prices, http://www.car-part.com/index.htm
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Re: k20a(R) in an ep3 (giff74)
This was for my part of the county, but prices go from $2500 to $4000. Spend an afternoon on the internet and the phone and I think you could find a pretty good deal.
http://www.car-part.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi
http://www.car-part.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi
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Re: k20a(R) in an ep3 (giff74)
Sorry, guess you cant really link them, but there were a decend amount to chose from and I live in the Southeast/Midwest. I would think there would be even more on the east or west coast.
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Re: k20a(R) in an ep3 (maxxjq)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by maxxjq »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
i did look at the a2 after i posted and it's looking a little better to me than the a. it's cheaper, has a little more power...</TD></TR></TABLE> oops, i looked it up. the R has more power.
and my friend that works at the shop said it would probably be even faster if i keep the close ratio five speed from the a3. which do you guys think would be better? the 5 or 6 speed?
i did look at the a2 after i posted and it's looking a little better to me than the a. it's cheaper, has a little more power...</TD></TR></TABLE> oops, i looked it up. the R has more power.
and my friend that works at the shop said it would probably be even faster if i keep the close ratio five speed from the a3. which do you guys think would be better? the 5 or 6 speed?
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Re: k20a(R) in an ep3 (maxxjq)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by maxxjq »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and my friend that works at the shop said it would probably be even faster if i keep the close ratio five speed from the a3. which do you guys think would be better? the 5 or 6 speed?</TD></TR></TABLE>
If I had 8000 rpm's to play with, I'd definitely go with the 6-speed. The ratios are closer than in the 5-speed (the 5-speed's 5th gear is the same as the sixth in the 6-speed anyway, for example). Plus, the A3 motor doesn't really have an upper-rpm powerband -- its torque is pretty even from top to bottom, so it can afford to drop to a lower RPM between shifts. The shorter 6-speed gearing keeps the A/A2 motors in vtec with each high-rpm shift.
But, if you somehow start putting down 275+ whp, you could probably benefit from the longer 5-speed gearing, helping to avoid wheelspin for at least one more gear and, if you're turboed, spending more time in boost.
If I had 8000 rpm's to play with, I'd definitely go with the 6-speed. The ratios are closer than in the 5-speed (the 5-speed's 5th gear is the same as the sixth in the 6-speed anyway, for example). Plus, the A3 motor doesn't really have an upper-rpm powerband -- its torque is pretty even from top to bottom, so it can afford to drop to a lower RPM between shifts. The shorter 6-speed gearing keeps the A/A2 motors in vtec with each high-rpm shift.
But, if you somehow start putting down 275+ whp, you could probably benefit from the longer 5-speed gearing, helping to avoid wheelspin for at least one more gear and, if you're turboed, spending more time in boost.
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