Concept: 2009 Honda NSX
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Concept: 2009 Honda NSX
I don't know if anyone here has seen, or is interested in seeing, some light on the possibiliy of the next Honda supercar.
http://www.edmunds.com/insidel...33#14
Excerpt from the page. There is a 2 min video as well.
It only had 270 horsepower and the interior of a Prelude, yet the 1991 Acura NSX was still an exotic. To keep weight down, aluminum was used for the body, chassis and suspension. Instead of more traditional V8 or V12 power, the NSX used a mid-mounted 3.0-liter V6. What it lacked in displacement, it made up for with variable valve timing and titanium connecting rods, the first ever in a production car.
Then there was the $65,000 price tag, cheap for its class but expensive for an Acura. The brand was only five years old at the time and its only other model was the $30K Legend sedan. No one expected a car like the NSX from a brand like Acura, and that was the whole point.
It was obvious the company exhausted its resources on the car, as little changed over its 15-year life span. The engine got a little more power, a Targa model was added, and a facelift gave it a new look in 2003. By then, Acura had become a full-fledged luxury brand so enthusiasts fully expected a new NSX. In 2005, production of the NSX officially ended with no word from Acura on a replacement.
Earlier this year, Acura finally fessed up and admitted it's working on an all-new NSX. Other than confirming it will have V10 power, Acura announced few additional details. So we decided to do a little digging, consulting our contacts in Japan and a well-connected designer in Europe. With their help, we were able to put together this exclusive video slide show on the next-generation NSX. It may not be exact, but until the car debuts in a couple of years it's as close as you're going to get.
http://www.edmunds.com/insidel...33#14
Excerpt from the page. There is a 2 min video as well.
It only had 270 horsepower and the interior of a Prelude, yet the 1991 Acura NSX was still an exotic. To keep weight down, aluminum was used for the body, chassis and suspension. Instead of more traditional V8 or V12 power, the NSX used a mid-mounted 3.0-liter V6. What it lacked in displacement, it made up for with variable valve timing and titanium connecting rods, the first ever in a production car.
Then there was the $65,000 price tag, cheap for its class but expensive for an Acura. The brand was only five years old at the time and its only other model was the $30K Legend sedan. No one expected a car like the NSX from a brand like Acura, and that was the whole point.
It was obvious the company exhausted its resources on the car, as little changed over its 15-year life span. The engine got a little more power, a Targa model was added, and a facelift gave it a new look in 2003. By then, Acura had become a full-fledged luxury brand so enthusiasts fully expected a new NSX. In 2005, production of the NSX officially ended with no word from Acura on a replacement.
Earlier this year, Acura finally fessed up and admitted it's working on an all-new NSX. Other than confirming it will have V10 power, Acura announced few additional details. So we decided to do a little digging, consulting our contacts in Japan and a well-connected designer in Europe. With their help, we were able to put together this exclusive video slide show on the next-generation NSX. It may not be exact, but until the car debuts in a couple of years it's as close as you're going to get.
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Re: Concept: 2009 Honda NSX (Ponyboy)
Agreed, I also thought that to be strange. I never would have compared the NSX to an Aston, or even a Ferrari.
I'm not sure that I'm even for changing the layout of the engine and drive train. To me, that's one of the factors that sets cars in the exotic crowd. More often that not, the mid-engine RWD cars are the high horsepower, high-dollar vehicles.
Just like that guy said in the video clip, the artist rendering looks like a bloated RSX. I hope that's not how the car is going to be marketed. That would seem like a step in the rear direction.
Either way, it should be interesting to see what they have ready for next years Tokyo auto salon.
I'm not sure that I'm even for changing the layout of the engine and drive train. To me, that's one of the factors that sets cars in the exotic crowd. More often that not, the mid-engine RWD cars are the high horsepower, high-dollar vehicles.
Just like that guy said in the video clip, the artist rendering looks like a bloated RSX. I hope that's not how the car is going to be marketed. That would seem like a step in the rear direction.
Either way, it should be interesting to see what they have ready for next years Tokyo auto salon.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BB6Driver »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A already miss the 1st generation and the new one isnt even out yet.
They should name it something other than NSX imo</TD></TR></TABLE>
whatever they call it, im sure we'll like it no matter what. ESPECIALLY with a v10
They should name it something other than NSX imo</TD></TR></TABLE>
whatever they call it, im sure we'll like it no matter what. ESPECIALLY with a v10
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I hope thats not it... it would be sad if they moved it to a front engine format.... knowing honda if its front engine it will most likely be mainly front wheel drive with the sh awd rear........ which would really really be lame.....
mid engine v10 would be the proper new nsx
mid engine v10 would be the proper new nsx
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blah blah blah......thanks for the link but now one ever seems to be even close when predicting honda's new cars.
I remember seeing all the photo's of the RSX which weren't anywhere near close to what one looks like now. I think Honda like to tease everyone.
I remember seeing all the photo's of the RSX which weren't anywhere near close to what one looks like now. I think Honda like to tease everyone.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ScreaminTeg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I've seen those pics...that was about a year ago, I think, when they called it the HSC.</TD></TR></TABLE>
more like 3 years old.
i think that new "nsx" is about as attractive as the underside of my scrotom. it is in no way like and nsx. i totally beleive that the nsx needed to change drastically, but that is not even the same type of car.
front engine... COME ON.
i like the idea of a v 10, but more importantlt i like the idea of a low sporty looking car. that thing is gonna look like a ******* buhemoth next to a current nsx.
bad honda. go sit in the corner
more like 3 years old.
i think that new "nsx" is about as attractive as the underside of my scrotom. it is in no way like and nsx. i totally beleive that the nsx needed to change drastically, but that is not even the same type of car.
front engine... COME ON.
i like the idea of a v 10, but more importantlt i like the idea of a low sporty looking car. that thing is gonna look like a ******* buhemoth next to a current nsx.
bad honda. go sit in the corner
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My thought is that the NSX obviously does need some major updating. Though not as much cosmetically as mechanically. Personally, I can't fathom why Honda would make the NSX a FR config and give up the huge fan base already existing.
The perceived sales issue was never a function of an "expensive Honda." It's the fact that during the course of the model's current history, it has only received a +20hp update and some minor "refreshes" while competition has consistently bettered their product.
IMO, the NSX should be at +350hp NA 2800lbs, options for SH-AWD and a turbo, paddle shifted, and brakes that could turn the Titanic around...right now.
For an 08 release, the new model should be significantly better than that. Here's hoping...
The perceived sales issue was never a function of an "expensive Honda." It's the fact that during the course of the model's current history, it has only received a +20hp update and some minor "refreshes" while competition has consistently bettered their product.
IMO, the NSX should be at +350hp NA 2800lbs, options for SH-AWD and a turbo, paddle shifted, and brakes that could turn the Titanic around...right now.
For an 08 release, the new model should be significantly better than that. Here's hoping...
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Ponyboy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My thought is that the NSX obviously does need some major updating. Though not as much cosmetically as mechanically. Personally, I can't fathom why Honda would make the NSX a FR config and give up the huge fan base already existing.
The perceived sales issue was never a function of an "expensive Honda." It's the fact that during the course of the model's current history, it has only received a +20hp update and some minor "refreshes" while competition has consistently bettered their product.
IMO, the NSX should be at +350hp NA 2800lbs, options for SH-AWD and a turbo, paddle shifted, and brakes that could turn the Titanic around...right now.
For an 08 release, the new model should be significantly better than that. Here's hoping...</TD></TR></TABLE>
well said... but make it 400+ horse power
The perceived sales issue was never a function of an "expensive Honda." It's the fact that during the course of the model's current history, it has only received a +20hp update and some minor "refreshes" while competition has consistently bettered their product.
IMO, the NSX should be at +350hp NA 2800lbs, options for SH-AWD and a turbo, paddle shifted, and brakes that could turn the Titanic around...right now.
For an 08 release, the new model should be significantly better than that. Here's hoping...</TD></TR></TABLE>
well said... but make it 400+ horse power
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Re: Concept: 2009 Honda NSX (Memoirs_of_ a_Gangsta)
I don't think its a good idea to hook a v10 up to front wheel drive... It is pretty much fact that rear wheel drive cars hook better, because on launch weight shifts backwards. I think it will be either AWD or rear. I hope to god it is not front wheel drive.
I also expect Honda to stay somewhere around their usual 100 Horsepower/Liter mark. That should make for a fun V-10.
I also expect Honda to stay somewhere around their usual 100 Horsepower/Liter mark. That should make for a fun V-10.
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Re: Concept: 2009 Honda NSX (31flavorscivic)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 31flavorscivic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't think its a good idea to hook a v10 up to front wheel drive... It is pretty much fact that rear wheel drive cars hook better, because on launch weight shifts backwards. I think it will be either AWD or rear. I hope to god it is not front wheel drive.
I also expect Honda to stay somewhere around their usual 100 Horsepower/Liter mark. That should make for a fun V-10.</TD></TR></TABLE>
who the hell said it's gonna be FWD? it might be a front engine rwd drive like the s2k but not fwd.
I also expect Honda to stay somewhere around their usual 100 Horsepower/Liter mark. That should make for a fun V-10.</TD></TR></TABLE>
who the hell said it's gonna be FWD? it might be a front engine rwd drive like the s2k but not fwd.
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Re: Concept: 2009 Honda NSX (Ponyboy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Ponyboy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thanks for the post. It's interesting. Can't believe that edmunds thinks that Honda wants to build an Aston Martin killer. Hmph.</TD></TR></TABLE>
It does make sense though. If you are pricing it in the same area as the last if not more you need to keep up with the movers and shakers.
Very little of the market are actual enthusiasts.
If a Honda product is offered in the same segment as a $100k V8 Vantage, what do you think the vain will buy?
It does make sense though. If you are pricing it in the same area as the last if not more you need to keep up with the movers and shakers.
Very little of the market are actual enthusiasts.
If a Honda product is offered in the same segment as a $100k V8 Vantage, what do you think the vain will buy?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Knightsport »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It does make sense though. If you are pricing it in the same area as the last if not more you need to keep up with the movers and shakers.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Response below ties in to above statement.
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If a Honda product is offered in the same segment as a $100k V8 Vantage, what do you think the vain will buy?</TD></TR></TABLE>
That's just it: Honda will not be able to compete with a 100k car with a 100k Aston Martin (provided the Aston is even a decent car). To compete with that Aston, Honda would have to provide a substantially better car that is substantially less expensive.
That is not a slight on Honda but it is the reality of the marketplace and part of the purchasing criteria of that particular demographic. In order to take my eyes off of a V8 Vantage and my pride off of the Aston Martin cache, I need to see a better looking car that is more reliable, is faster than my "neighbors" V8 Vantage, and save me a ton of money to boot. I don't just need to be "sold," I need to be a "raving fan."
My .02 anyway.
Response below ties in to above statement.
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If a Honda product is offered in the same segment as a $100k V8 Vantage, what do you think the vain will buy?</TD></TR></TABLE>
That's just it: Honda will not be able to compete with a 100k car with a 100k Aston Martin (provided the Aston is even a decent car). To compete with that Aston, Honda would have to provide a substantially better car that is substantially less expensive.
That is not a slight on Honda but it is the reality of the marketplace and part of the purchasing criteria of that particular demographic. In order to take my eyes off of a V8 Vantage and my pride off of the Aston Martin cache, I need to see a better looking car that is more reliable, is faster than my "neighbors" V8 Vantage, and save me a ton of money to boot. I don't just need to be "sold," I need to be a "raving fan."
My .02 anyway.
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wow this is amazing im already looking forward to the 2nd generation when i haven't even seen a first generation in my life
this is going to be the creame of the crop in the new generation of super car's
this is going to be the creame of the crop in the new generation of super car's
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Re: Concept: 2009 Honda NSX (Ponyboy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Ponyboy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
That is not a slight on Honda but it is the reality of the marketplace and part of the purchasing criteria of that particular demographic. In order to take my eyes off of a V8 Vantage and my pride off of the Aston Martin cache, I need to see a better looking car that is more reliable, is faster than my "neighbors" V8 Vantage, and save me a ton of money to boot. I don't just need to be "sold," I need to be a "raving fan."
My .02 anyway.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Exactly what I was saying. To the vein the H or A badge means very little. The Porsche crest or Aston wings will be a done deal even at premium. EVEN IF both cars are slower.
That is not a slight on Honda but it is the reality of the marketplace and part of the purchasing criteria of that particular demographic. In order to take my eyes off of a V8 Vantage and my pride off of the Aston Martin cache, I need to see a better looking car that is more reliable, is faster than my "neighbors" V8 Vantage, and save me a ton of money to boot. I don't just need to be "sold," I need to be a "raving fan."
My .02 anyway.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Exactly what I was saying. To the vein the H or A badge means very little. The Porsche crest or Aston wings will be a done deal even at premium. EVEN IF both cars are slower.
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Eh I guess I'm just strange then. I would rather buy the honda than the slower more "exotic" car.
Most honda drivers aren't after names anyway, they just want something cheap and reliable. When I purchase cars I look for something I think is a good value...although I think 80k was a bit much for the last nsx being that the corvette z06 was less for more, in 1991 I probably would have purchased one.
Most people are idiots anyway and would either look at the car and not care about the Honda badge just because of the cars looks...or they would think it was something else entirely.
Either way, its great looking and was a decent performing car that only ****** who care about names would look down on...
Most honda drivers aren't after names anyway, they just want something cheap and reliable. When I purchase cars I look for something I think is a good value...although I think 80k was a bit much for the last nsx being that the corvette z06 was less for more, in 1991 I probably would have purchased one.
Most people are idiots anyway and would either look at the car and not care about the Honda badge just because of the cars looks...or they would think it was something else entirely.
Either way, its great looking and was a decent performing car that only ****** who care about names would look down on...