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Old Mar 21, 2006 | 04:51 PM
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has anyone purchased this book?

http://www.pitstop.net.au/pits...=4029

what is it like? give me your reviews...
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Old Mar 21, 2006 | 05:09 PM
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check amazon. pricing is better and im sure you can find reviews on there.


honda-tech isnt the only place in the world where people might have experience with that book.

good find though
im going to have to buy it.

you probably wont understand it though unless you have background in heat transfer, thermo, and fluids.
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Old Mar 21, 2006 | 05:19 PM
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http://www.amazon.com/gp/produ...books

reviews.
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Old Mar 21, 2006 | 05:37 PM
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It's a bit out of date but there is still some excellent material included.
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Old Mar 21, 2006 | 05:51 PM
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out of date meaning newer concepts arent in there. does not mean that the topics discussed have changed...because they really havent.
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Old Mar 21, 2006 | 05:59 PM
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I have this, it's a cool book but yeah its a little outdated. There are some technical portions of the book that flew over my head but its a great book to have in the collection. go ahead and buy it... you wont regret it.
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Old Mar 21, 2006 | 06:01 PM
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I have had this book for quite some time. Like stated above, the concepts are worth reading because many principles of exhaust design are never going to change. This book will give you many formula's to calculate and understand runner length, diameter, collector design, etc. It's worth the read for sure. Hope your algebra and calc is up to par though, some of it gets pretty deep.
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Old Mar 21, 2006 | 07:05 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Ekasey &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's a bit out of date but there is still some excellent material included.</TD></TR></TABLE>

any other recomendations to polish up the brain casey?
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Old Mar 21, 2006 | 07:29 PM
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It really all depends what your into i'm mroe into road racing then anything else so i read quite a few books on suspension dynamics and things like that, let me peruse the library at work tomorrow we have some good ones in there I just can't remember the titles.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RC000E &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have had this book for quite some time. Like stated above, the concepts are worth reading because many principles of exhaust design are never going to change. This book will give you many formula's to calculate and understand runner length, diameter, collector design, etc. It's worth the read for sure. Hope your algebra and calc is up to par though, some of it gets pretty deep.</TD></TR></TABLE>

This is what i mean sorry if i offended you dfoxengr
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Old Mar 24, 2006 | 08:39 AM
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yea im no suspension guru...but the exh & engine design books are always fun to read...

anything to do w/ turbocharging...id really like to understand split scroll turbines a lot more...exp pulses and frequencies...intake manifold designs and why it works....

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Old Mar 24, 2006 | 09:36 AM
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i found this book on turbo design... i'm considering buying it, anyone else know any good books on the topics?

Turbocharger Aerodynamic Design:

http://journals.pepublishing.c...771,1

anyone read it?

edit: found this, reading it if anyone else is interested

http://www.ifs.uni-hannover.de...4.pdf
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Old Mar 24, 2006 | 02:06 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dfoxengr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you probably wont understand it though unless you have background in heat transfer, thermo, and fluids.</TD></TR></TABLE>

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Amazon.com &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">this is a very fundamental book on the subject, however, it's easy for a beginner to follow. it lacks the basic equations and theories that describe the intake and exhaust flows. if you are a graduated student, stay away from this book. you would have learned more from fluid dynamics 101 (if you were awake in class). otherwise, this is a good basic, short to the point, easy understanding book.....</TD></TR></TABLE>

In the grand scheme of things, I'd say an automobile exhaust flow isn't that complicated.
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Old Mar 24, 2006 | 03:32 PM
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in the grand scheme youre wrong.

intake and exhaust flow is complicated...ha

i would like to see you make a perfect intake and header for a specific motor.
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Old Mar 24, 2006 | 03:57 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Ekasey &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's a bit out of date but there is still some excellent material included.</TD></TR></TABLE>

beat me to it, the theory is still all correct though.
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Old Mar 25, 2006 | 08:50 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dfoxengr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">in the grand scheme youre wrong.

intake and exhaust flow is complicated...ha

i would like to see you make a perfect intake and header for a specific motor.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm saying its not as complicated as some other things, jackass.
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Old Mar 25, 2006 | 10:28 AM
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how not?
a few subject that it encompasses are thermo, heat transfer, fluids, aero which are some of the hardest classes engineers take...so again i would say it is complicated.


to the post creator. i ordered that book last night, ill skim it when it arrives and tel you if its worth it.

-derek
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Old Mar 25, 2006 | 01:08 PM
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dfoxengr...you have a Bachelors degree in ME...not a PhD...act accordingly.
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Old Mar 25, 2006 | 02:51 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dfoxengr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how not?
to the post creator. i ordered that book last night, ill skim it when it arrives and tel you if its worth it.
-derek</TD></TR></TABLE>
awesome...maybe even a pic of the contents page...its nothing more than i hate...is to spend money get home..and throw a book into the collection...only to never be read again...

ive seen some f the better HT books like corkey bell's and a few others...skimmed threw them and its a good start...but im looking for more in depth studies...more like sae papers...

for ex...why a longer turbo mani can make more power...why exh pulses work the way they do etc....
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Old Mar 25, 2006 | 03:03 PM
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not even graduated yet...
but for a non-engineering student to talk like they know what theyre talking about is just dumb.
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Old Mar 25, 2006 | 03:07 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dfoxengr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">not even graduated yet...
but for a non-engineering student to talk like they know what theyre talking about is just dumb.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I assume you're talking about me. Awesome how you know me, but you're wrong buddy.
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Old Mar 25, 2006 | 03:25 PM
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no just everyone in general who might be reading this.

youre an ME student or graduate?
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Old Mar 25, 2006 | 03:32 PM
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ME student, going to be starting my masters in the fall.

I think you misunderstood what I originally said. I didn't say anything was easy or lacked application of principles, I meant an exhaust is nowhere near as difficult to design as some like other areas of the engine, or the engine control system.
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Old Mar 25, 2006 | 03:47 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by daveG &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ME student, going to be starting my masters in the fall.

I think you misunderstood what I originally said. I didn't say anything was easy or lacked application of principles, I meant an exhaust is nowhere near as difficult to design as some like other areas of the engine, or the engine control system.</TD></TR></TABLE>
dam...nuff said working on junior year ME....always lookin to further my knowledge...
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Old Mar 25, 2006 | 04:13 PM
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cool. yeah the exhaust side isnt that complicated, but the intake is pretty interesting.
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Old Mar 31, 2006 | 02:16 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dfoxengr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">not even graduated yet...
but for a non-engineering student to talk like they know what theyre talking about is just dumb.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I was with you until that statement....lol. I know your referring specifically to him about it, but there are plenty of guys out there that are leaders in the field with no formal education.

As an ME student as well, trust me, I thought I knew plenty until I went to school. It certainly added to my knowledge, but there are still self taught guys out there who can hang.
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