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Old Mar 20, 2006 | 03:39 PM
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Im getting some koni yellows with H&R race springs for a EK. Do i need some tophats to give it more suspension travel or am I good? This is for a daily driver. I want something that will last very long.
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Old Mar 20, 2006 | 03:57 PM
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i have koni yellows and neuspeed race springs with no top hats and it's fine for a while now, but having top hats isn't a bad thing either.
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Old Mar 20, 2006 | 04:02 PM
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H&R Race springs with standard Koni yellows will make your car sit on the bump stops. I have the H&R Sports and I have very little shock travel left even with the bump stops cut.
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Old Mar 20, 2006 | 04:02 PM
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so its good for insurance...and how low is ur drop for neuspeed
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Old Mar 20, 2006 | 04:03 PM
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so what should i do...i want a low drop....and my last resort are coilovers
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Old Mar 20, 2006 | 05:21 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hkboy87 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so what should i do...i want a low drop....and my last resort are coilovers</TD></TR></TABLE>

buying the top hats which GC sells for $119 for 2 will allow more suspension travel, about 1" so if your lowered quite a bit, having the top hats will make the ride better as it will not be on the bump stops. Lowered cars don't have alot of suspension travel to start with, this is a good way to get 1" back which is close to 50% if lowered about 2.25"
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Old Mar 20, 2006 | 06:15 PM
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are there shortened konis for a ek? where can i get them?
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Old Mar 20, 2006 | 10:53 PM
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i think youre fine.

regular springs and extended top hats arent very compatible. you could do it, but it causes a great reduction is droop length.
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Old Mar 21, 2006 | 08:09 AM
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The GC top-hats are recomended for coilover sleeves only. Coil-over springs are centered by their inner diameter, while lowering srings are centered by their outer diameter. This can cause regular lowering springs to move around on their seat.

You really only need the top-hats if your going 2.5" or lower. They deffinently make a difference over bumps when your lowered 3", but you can't really get that low without coil-over sleeves anyways...
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Old Mar 21, 2006 | 10:13 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 94eg! &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The GC top-hats are recomended for coilover sleeves only. Coil-over springs are centered by their inner diameter, while lowering srings are centered by their outer diameter. This can cause regular lowering springs to move around on their seat.

You really only need the top-hats if your going 2.5" or lower. They deffinently make a difference over bumps when your lowered 3", but you can't really get that low without coil-over sleeves anyways...</TD></TR></TABLE>

I vouch on that. I'm down almost 3", and even with the extended top hats, I'm nearly on the bumpstops. Without them, at my current height, I'd probably be left with 1/2" of travel.
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Old Mar 21, 2006 | 10:16 AM
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Agreed. The nice thing about the GC top hats is that they come with softer & slightly longer bump stops. Even though you're ride relativly close to them, they create a much more softer & more progressive bump-stop effect.
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Old Mar 21, 2006 | 12:40 PM
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so i dun need those tophats if im goin with h&r or neuspeed? arent the neuspeed made for the konis anyway?
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Old Mar 21, 2006 | 01:58 PM
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No you don't need top-hats...

No, Neuspeed springs are not "specifically" made for Koni's (but they are the BEST shock you can use with them)...
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Old Jun 15, 2006 | 11:32 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 94eg! &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">No you don't need top-hats...

No, Neuspeed springs are not "specifically" made for Koni's (but they are the BEST shock you can use with them)...</TD></TR></TABLE>

From what I hear the ground control and koni yellow set up is the best.
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Old Jun 16, 2006 | 07:11 AM
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Uh, well it's a matter of opinion, but yeah that's what I use. If you re-read my statment it's saying that Koni shocks are the best shock you can use with that particular spring (not the best shock spring combo ). Others may disagree (ahhem---Tyson--ahhem), but that's what opinions are all about...
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