Right now i am looking for a GSR with everything to put into my 4dr 94' honda accord LX but thast going to be pretty expensive but i want to very fast. the b16a is cheaper and i can just build it and make it fast. im not sure which one to go with for price and how easy it would be if i bought either with everything i need. anyone have any ideas?

 

pointless to put a b series into an accord. not nearly enough torque.

 

woah, your crazy son! lets see...a 2700lb car with a motor that peaks 111ft. lb. of torque. not to mention that everything that would have to be fabricated to make the swap work...

this has been covered many times so i dont want to get into all the differences between civic/integra and accord/prelude but trust me, just keep your f series motor or swap an h series in there...

 

yea but the GSR and the b16a have more orse than the stock..i should pull it. and before i was thinking of rebuilding it stock but its not worth it

 

no its not. you havent seen any 90+ accords with b-series motors for a reason...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Team Highway &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yea but the GSR and the b16a have more orse than the stock..i should pull it. and before i was thinking of rebuilding it stock but its not worth it</TD></TR></TABLE>

sure, a GSR motor might be JUST AS FAST in an accord as the f22a. but your f22a takes $0 to put into the car. a B18c1 will wake a few thousands to get into the car. it would take $10,000+ to get a b18c into an accord to make the same amount of power it would take an h22a to make (that will only cost ~$2000) in an accord

 

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Oh man... Not this again.

 

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yeah, but you need torque to get the heavy chassis of the Accord moving.

I can't find anything through the search right now but it's been covered before many times. It's not a good idea to put a B series motor into a 90+ Accord because of a few reasons. 1) being weight of chassis and no torque from the motor 2) the custom mounts that would be needed to mount the motor in the chassis 3) custom mounting the shift assembly because the 90+ Accords use different shift mechanism (sp?) than the Civic/Integra.

Either keep the F22B2 thats in the car now and rebuild or turbo it, or swap in an H22A motor.

 

Yes, like was said before, you will be downgrading. You will lose displacement not to mention torque, which is needed to get our heavy cars moving. Stick with the F or H.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by momstaxi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">woah, your crazy son! lets see...a 2700lb car with a motor that peaks 111ft. lb. of torque. not to mention that everything that would have to be fabricated to make the swap work...
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that about sums it up. not nearly enough torque, and the amount of customizing required and cost of the engine make it totally not worth it. not taht it was worth it to begin with.

 

point is, horsepower isnt everything if you dont have torque to pull your car..

so instead of looking in horsepower look for torque first.. Stop wasting time with the b16s its dumb to put i in an accord, if u want power boost the f22 or go h22 swap.

 

well the h22a is a longblock and the f22 isnt..so wouldnt the oil pan be sticking down further so i would have to change the supension and prob raise it because when i bottem out my oil pan will be 100 feet down the road. im gettin mad cause i want to get the perfect engine for my car and race it and i dont want to get the wrong engine for my car and have to sell it for less just to get some of my money back so i want to know wats been done to a 94 accord like the h22a swap being succesful and not being a pain in the *** ( i know some of it will be) but an easy swap and wat i should do to the engine before i put it in

 

h22 is an easy swap... your saying stuff i've never heard of before....

 

LMFAOROTFL
Dude seriously.......hhhhhhhhhmmmmm clears throat tries to keep a straight face.

hmm hhmm....The H22 block is almost identical to the f22 block they have a few differances but not many.
When you look at an engine description on a jdm engine website and it says long block or short block it meens this
A long block is and engine sold with all the accesories.Like pwoer steering pump alterantor distributor and the intake manifold and exhuast manifold.You just have to drop it in the hole that was made when you pulled the old engine and plug and bolt it in.

A short block is just The engine internals with none of the outer parts on it it will be just the oil pan and the valve cover on the engine nothing else

 

Now that i look at yoru user name. You already made thread about the h22 not fitting in an accord and not being a direct swap.. and EVERYOEN said your wrong.. why are u just creating the same thread but with a diffrent Post name?

jesus man everyone will tell you h22 is a direct fit.. stop saying it isnt you are basically telling everyone in Honda-Tech they are wrong and you are right....

 

Like it's already been said, the F blocks and H blocks are pretty close in size. Dmc1 was right about the longblock vs shortblock. The terms shortblock and longblock do not refference the dimensions of the block, just what is included with the purchase.

The H22 is going to be about the most direct bolt in your going to find. The H series motors don't sit any lower than the F series motors.

If you want the "perfect" engine and not the wrong one, stay away from the B series motors. The B series may be a decent motor in the CRX/Civic/Integra, but it's not suited for the Accord/Prelude. Your best bet it to decide what your plans are and then buy the motor (stay F series or swap to an H series) that best suits those plans.

Whats been done with a 94-97 Accord? Well, with a little searching you can find the answer to that question. But a couple things come to mind.... turbo F series, swapped H series, swapped and turbo H series, F series block with H series head.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Honda_Accord &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Now that i look at yoru user name. You already made thread about the h22 not fitting in an accord and not being a direct swap.. and EVERYOEN said your wrong.. why are u just creating the same thread but with a diffrent Post name?

jesus man everyone will tell you h22 is a direct fit.. stop saying it isnt you are basically telling everyone in Honda-Tech they are wrong and you are right....</TD></TR></TABLE>

I was just thinking of that EXACT thread. I was wondering myself if this was the same guy, because all of us that posted in that thread told him an H22 fits easily, that the oil pan would have just as much clearance, and that he would NOT have to change his suspension like he thought he would.

 

keep your engine or go with the following:

1: swap your engine for the h22(way much more power than a b series)
2: keep your engine and turbo it

IMO these are the choices I would go for

 

well my engine has 151k on it and its given me some problems and i want to just get a new engine. i was talking to a kid today and he said the h22a will bolt right up to an 90-93 accord easily and the 94+ need custom mounts to get it in. im not sure if thats true but if i do get an h22 i would prolly deff want new mounts anywayz but would the h22 ones work?

 

How much torque does a F22B2 stock have?

 

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139 ft/lbs i think and 130hp.

 

Isn't F22B2 the Vtec one?... or I got it mixed up... anyway...

so... you're saying that the engine has more torque than hp stock.... that's gooooood!!!

Anyway... if the engine has 145hp stock, how much torque? 154ft/lbs of torque maybe?

 

i also have an LX accord and i heard that makes a difference for h22 motor swaps

 

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everything u need to know

http://autos.msn.com/research/...id=-1

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139 ft/lbs i think and 130hp.</TD></TR></TABLE>

the link i put up says 144 ft/lbs so i dont know *shrugs*

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gianinline &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Anyway... if the engine has 145hp stock, how much torque? 154ft/lbs of torque maybe?</TD></TR></TABLE>

your answer is provided in the link it says 145 horsepower and 190 ft/lbs for the torque.. but i belive it does depend on the car (im just assuming your talking about the 5th gen ex accord)

 

whhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaattt????????

Is that right?!... I mean..... ....190ft/lbs of torque for 145hp?

Damn.... ...I love my accord.... but... this seems like too good to be true.... I saw some potential right now!!! he he he..