Please don't say take it to the dealer. This isn't rocket science. Anyone know how to bleed the ABS? I tried temoving the ABS relay and shorting the two largest contacts. I figured this would turn the pump on but it didn't.

Suggestions?

 

if its an Integra,Just completely romve the abs system alll together..... Its useless weight in my opinion... If you need the kit I have on eto completelt take it out just PM me....

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by boostnhoe &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if its an Integra,Just completely remove the abs system alll together..... Its useless weight in my opinion... If you need the kit I have one to completly take it out just PM me.... </TD></TR></TABLE>

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by boostnhoe &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">..... Its useless weight in my opinion... </TD></TR></TABLE> This is for a 94 honda accord. We would have a difference of opinion ABS has saved my a$$ more then once. To me this would be like removing your airbags. Its a saftey feature.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxxtreme &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> This is for a 94 honda accord. We would have a difference of opinion ABS has saved my a$$ more then once. To me this would be like removing your airbags. Its a saftey feature.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Agreed

 

bleed ABS systems the same way as non abs cars. Thats what the manual says. nothing special.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by .xcalibur. &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">bleed ABS systems the same way as non abs cars. Thats what the manual says. nothing special.</TD></TR></TABLE>I'm not sure what manual you are reading but the two systems are independent. There is a bleeder valve on top of the pump. I assume this is a way to remove the air from the accumilator. My assumptions tell me the pump should be turned on the fluid released from the bleader valve.

I am simply amazed at how little information is out there about ABS systems. Its no more complex then an engine overhaul.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxxtreme &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm not sure what manual you are reading but the two systems are independent. There is a bleeder valve on top of the pump. I assume this is a way to remove the air from the accumilator. My assumptions tell me the pump should be turned on the fluid released from the bleader valve.

I am simply amazed at how little information is out there about ABS systems. Its no more complex then an engine overhaul.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Those of us with later Integras (and some other Hondas as well) don't have to worry about it, as we don't have a separate bleeder for the ABS, its just bled at the caliper like a non-ABS system.

This is from memory, so please confirm that this is correct procedure:
Put a bleeder hose on the ABS nipple.
Have a friend turn the ignition on, you'll hear the ABS pump pressurize the system.
Open bleeder screw and do a quick bleed.
Close bleeder screw.
Turn off ignition.
Repeat steps 2 - 5 as necessary.

And I think people are more afraid of the brakes (and they should be) than the engine, because if you screw up the engine, it won't go. But if you screw up the brakes, it won't stop, and thats a much worse situation to be in.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TunerN00b &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">And I think people are more afraid of the brakes (and they should be) than the engine, because if you screw up the engine, it won't go. But if you screw up the brakes, it won't stop, and thats a much worse situation to be in.</TD></TR></TABLE>

From what I understand about ABS it cannot screw the normal braking features up. From what I have read they are two independent systems. But I don't know.

Bleeding the ABS shouldn't be any scarier then changing the brake fluid on a normal car without ABS. The lack of information is what is disturbing. Dealers got to be loving this, nice cash cow.

I think its simply stupid that the ABS system ends up costing more then the car. And no one here in the USA will touch them. They are rebuilt in other parts of the world, this is was my internet searching has shown.

My pump doesn't run when the key is turned on. I dont think they all do this. The only good ABS info I have found is for the NSX posted at danoland.

But thanks for the info.

 

Your pump doesn't run? Is your ABS warning light on the dashboard coming on when you turn the car on, and does it stay on? It should come on at first (to show the light isn't dead) along with all the other lights, and then go out. Normally you should hear the pump run, to pressurize the high-pressure ABS brake fluid.

Do you have the Helms manual for your car? It should have the procedure in there.

BTW, for people who don't know, there's two varieties of ABS systems on Hondas. On older Hondas (pre-1995 or so, depending on the car), the ABS has its own separate brake fluid reservoir which is pressurized by a pump. Somehow, this high-pressure fluid is used to reduce pressure on individual brake lines when a wheel slips. On the newer Hondas (including the 98+ Integra), the ABS system has no separate reservoir, and the ABS pump just circulates fluid in the brake lines, so there's no separate system to bleed. This system is smaller and lighter than the older system. I believe it also generally performs better, as (at least on the Integra) it's a 4-channel system instead of a 3-channel system like the older one.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dwolsten &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Do you have the Helms manual for your car? It should have the procedure in there.
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Manual says take it to a dealer.

 

you let the car idle for 30 seconds then crack the bleeder let it bleed into an approprate container. then shut off the car then start and let ldle for 30 seconds the check the level add if needed then bleed again. and so on and so on.

 

I used to work at local honda dealership in sanford, NC. We always bled them same as non-abs but very slowly. Don't pump the pedal fast, and don't bleed it fast.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by boostnhoe &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if its an Integra,Just completely romve the abs system alll together..... Its useless weight in my opinion... If you need the kit I have on eto completelt take it out just PM me.... </TD></TR></TABLE>

Why do people always say this? Do you have an adjustable proportioning valve to compensate for different tires and road traction? I'll venture a guess and say no. However, ABS does that proportioning for you.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rainforest &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you let the car idle for 30 seconds then crack the bleeder let it bleed into an approprate container. then shut off the car then start and let ldle for 30 seconds the check the level add if needed then bleed again. and so on and so on.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You do not need to start the car.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TunerN00b &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Those of us with later Integras (and some other Hondas as well) don't have to worry about it, as we don't have a separate bleeder for the ABS, its just bled at the caliper like a non-ABS system.

This is from memory, so please confirm that this is correct procedure:
Put a bleeder hose on the ABS nipple.
Turn the ignition on, you'll hear the ABS pump pressurize the system.
Turn off the ignition
Open bleeder screw and do a quick bleed.
Close bleeder screw.
Refill ABS resevoir
Repeat steps 2 - 5 as necessary.
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Adjusted it for you.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Dogginator &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Why do people always say this? Do you have an adjustable proportioning valve to compensate for different tires and road traction? I'll venture a guess and say no. However, ABS does that proportioning for you.

You do not need to start the car.

Adjusted it for you. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I love ABS on my road racing car... when combined with threshold braking, the Integra ABS works really well and keeps the braking pretty balanced (although I'd still prefer a little more rear)... I'm not limited by the first tire that locks up, unlike people without ABS. It's just not a substitute for proper driving, that's all.

And you definately need to bleed and refill the fluid in the ABS module, at least on a 97 Integra. It really sucks that most auto repair manuals don't cover this enough, or at all. It is important. The ABS module is kind of it's own system... bleeding the calipers doesn't affect it. And if you bleed it and don't refill it at the module itself, you'll get air in the entire system and have to do the calipers again too. I bleed the calipers on this car all the time, and I bled the hell out of them just earlier this week... the fluid coming out of each caliper was nice and fresh, but when I bled the ABS module last night, it was quite obviously old fluid that badly needed to be flushed, which explained why I was having trouble with the brake pedal losing pressure. Of course, I hadn't done it in so long that I forgot to refill the ABS module, so I got air in the lines and had to do the entire car again.

 

Also, be really careful when you crack that ABS bleeder... it's under a lot of pressure. Open it very slowly... it doesn't do anything when you first start turning it, but then it very quickly turns into a brake fluid cannon and tries to blast you in the eye.