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Old Feb 20, 2006 | 03:27 PM
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I've checked on the Egay google, H-T and I can't find a pic of one.
For whatever reason, I remember many many moons ago seeing a pic of the header and it's diff from what I have on my car.

What's on mine looks like a regular manifold, not header.

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Old Feb 20, 2006 | 04:04 PM
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Which trim is yours? The EX header is 4-2-1, the LX may be 4-1, but i'm not completely sure.

What does it look like after taking off the manifold shield?
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Old Feb 20, 2006 | 04:42 PM
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Does this look familiar?

Ex 1996 2.2L VTec
http://www.hondaautomotivepart...82%29

LX,SE & DX Manifold Detail 2.2L F22B2
http://www.hondaautomotivepart...81%29

1 hope these clears things up.

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Old Feb 20, 2006 | 07:51 PM
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the EX manifold has "individual" runners for each porth, while the b2 manifold looks like a giant sea shell
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Old Feb 20, 2006 | 08:57 PM
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The other difference:

The EX manifold dumps into a duel downpipe
The DX,LX,SE Manifold dumps into a single downpipe.

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Old Feb 20, 2006 | 09:08 PM
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does this apply to the 6th gen inline 4?

if so, i got riped off..


kuz i got the sea shell one, and i got the Ex model too(vin number poof)
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Old Feb 20, 2006 | 10:06 PM
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Ewww, THAT's nasty. Looks like you got short changed (manifold-wise)

Here's the detail for the 2002 EX 2.3L
http://www.hondaautomotivepart...81%29

2002 DX,LX,SE
http://www.hondaautomotivepart...81%29

To make matters worst, Honda calls out the same Part Number for the DownPipe for both varients.

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Old Feb 21, 2006 | 08:51 AM
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Well, it looks like I have the stock F22B header.. I must have been thinking about somethin else :S

Anyway, the whole reason I asked is when I took the heat shield off just because I was waitin on ride and where the header flange bolts up to the head, theres 2 gaps where there is no seal..the header nor the gasket covers the port, so I have 2 somewhat small exhaust leaks. I figured someone must have swapped the header because this one doesn't fit right.

Kinda ticked me off :S
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Old Feb 21, 2006 | 09:03 AM
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are you able to take a picture of whats on your car now and post it?
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Old Feb 21, 2006 | 03:54 PM
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I will tomorrow. At the moment, I've got Bronchitus and I feel like crap.. I'll get a pic though.

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Old Feb 22, 2006 | 06:15 AM
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Please, no comments on it being dirty.. I was gonan clean but I didn't wanna gfet water inside the head.
See what I mean abotu the gaps?
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Old Feb 22, 2006 | 06:24 AM
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Are you sure those are the exhaust ports your seeing? Kinda hard to tell from the picture. On F22Bx engines, the exhaust ports look like ()_()()_(). So I would think those aren't the exhaust ports you circled. I could be wrong though.

Looks like a regular 94-97 EX (F22B1) exhaust manifold to me though.

You do you have a F22B1, right? I don't think your actually stated what motor you have.
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Old Feb 22, 2006 | 06:29 AM
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Actually, by your picture you've got the EX dual downpipe version exhaust manifold

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Old Feb 22, 2006 | 07:12 AM
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I think that looks just like my stocker....I'll take a picture and post it tomorrow.
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Old Feb 22, 2006 | 07:15 AM
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i dont think those are leaks.
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Old Feb 22, 2006 | 09:25 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TouringAccord &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You do you have a F22B1, right? I don't think your actually stated what motor you have.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I had asked him above, too but never got an answer. However, I believe that he has an EX because he made a previous thread re: vtec light...So I would assume he does in fact have an F22B1.
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Old Feb 22, 2006 | 02:58 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by accord95vtec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">However, I believe that he has an EX because he made a previous thread re: vtec light...So I would assume he does in fact have an F22B1. </TD></TR></TABLE>

true, didn't think about that.

Anyway, I looked at some picture of my motor I took while I was starting to take everything off. My motor is a F22B1. It looks like thats what you have and those opennings you see are just opennings in the casting, not the exhaust ports. Here are two pictures to show you what I mean.

With the exhaust manifold gasket...


Without the exhaust manifold gasket...


I know they aren't the best pictures to show you the opennings, but as you can see in the top picture there is a little bit showing that the gasket doesn't cover. And in the second picture you can see the opening aren't apart of the exhaust ports. I hope thats helps you.

So in conclusion... It looks liek you do have the correct exhaust manifold and if you do have an exhaust leak, thats not the location of your problem.
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Old Feb 22, 2006 | 04:32 PM
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Ok...does anyone know how to replace the manifold stud???? While trying to remove the exhaust manifold, one snapped.

I need to know how much trouble it is or if I want to attempt it. Help me out here guys!!

Thanks!!

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Old Feb 22, 2006 | 04:33 PM
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Sorry I didn't state what engine I had :S

It is in fact holes. I took a lil piece of plastic from a shirt tag (don't ask) and stuck in each one.
So it's the correct header, it just a sorry fitment. Thats kinda crazy.
Why the heck would it fit so bad if it's the stock one? I was lookin at it closer and I can't see any markings on the nuts from where it was ever removed.

Guess I'll just save up and buy an aftermarket header that fits a lil better. :S
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Old Feb 23, 2006 | 03:41 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by haroldj_aic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ok...does anyone know how to replace the manifold stud???? While trying to remove the exhaust manifold, one snapped.

I need to know how much trouble it is or if I want to attempt it. Help me out here guys!!

Thanks!!

HJ</TD></TR></TABLE>

Where did it snap at? Is it flush/inside the head or is there still some sticking out?
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Old Feb 23, 2006 | 08:19 AM
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There's about 1/4 - 1/2 inch sticking out with manifold still on.
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Old Feb 23, 2006 | 08:46 AM
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What I would probably do is...

-Go to the hardware store and get two nuts that have the same thread as the stud does.
-Take the manifold off to give you more room. Make sure you use PB Blaster or some other penatrating oil to prevent snapping another stud.
-Put the two nuts on the stud and lock them together.
-Now take a wrench and put it on the nut closest to the head and start turning the stud out. Maybe spray some more PB Blaster at the base of the stud where it goes into the head to help the stud come out if it's a little stuck.
-Use the same method to install the new stud, but turn the outer most nut instead.

This is of course if the threads are still intact. Are they?
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Old Feb 23, 2006 | 09:57 AM
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It appears to be a pretty clean break. I'll give that a try. I have liquid wrench penatrating oil....is PB Blaster better? I'll probably soak it for a day or two and then try to back it out. When I remove the manifold and other retaining bolts, I'll need to loosen the bolts to the catalytic converter to have enough room to work...does that sound right???

I really appreciate your help!!
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Old Feb 23, 2006 | 10:09 AM
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liquid wrench should work, I seemed to have better results with PB Blaster. Maybe it was just me though.

Soaking it is a good idea, giving it more time to penetrate is never a bad idea.

um, no. You don't need to loosen the bolts at the cat. You should remove the three nuts holding the upper and lower parts of the exhaust manifold together. You need to get under the car and remove the splash shield to access those. You'll need a long extension and maybe a breaker bar, those nuts are pretty tight. Spray PB Blaster on those as well so you don't strip them. I did that on mine once, since then we've removed my friends twice and used PB Blaster with no problems. Just let it soak for a while as well.

Once all the nuts hold the manifold to the head are removed and the nuts holding the upper and lower halfs of the manifold are removed, you should be able to take the upper half of the manifold off the car.

oh wait, I think there may be one more bolt hold the middle part of the manifold to the block, sorta like a brace.
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Old Feb 23, 2006 | 10:24 AM
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Alright...I think I'll try to find some PB Blaster, new exhaust manifold, new nut and stud...and give it a try.

Yeah, I think you're right about that last brace bolt. Saw that thanks to P-Adams post earlier linking to Honda Automotive Parts..........

Oh, from your description on how to remove the manifold stud...I'm guessing it's not a reverse thread right?

Last question...once the stud has been replaced, is it a good idea to use anti-seize when re-installing the nuts or on the new stud?
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