Ultra High Performance S Vs. High Performance AS tires....Daily Driver
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Ultra High Performance S Vs. High Performance AS tires....Daily Driver
Imagine someone was looking to pick up a new set of tires. They have just worn down their Yokohama AVS ES100's after 15,000 miles of driving. They are hesitant to buy another set due to its short life span, but are willing to if no other options are available.
They Notice the increased treadwear rating on High Performance All season tires, but are worried that the tires wont grip or handle the same as their previous ones. The tires will be going on an Integra, Aggressively daily driven.
With this scenario in mind, would you suggest just sticking with another set of AVS ES100's or maybe choosing a cheaper alternative like a AVID T4 or General Exclaim? All that the driver cares about is that they deliver identical grip and traction, in most daily driven conditions, as the es100's.
They Notice the increased treadwear rating on High Performance All season tires, but are worried that the tires wont grip or handle the same as their previous ones. The tires will be going on an Integra, Aggressively daily driven.
With this scenario in mind, would you suggest just sticking with another set of AVS ES100's or maybe choosing a cheaper alternative like a AVID T4 or General Exclaim? All that the driver cares about is that they deliver identical grip and traction, in most daily driven conditions, as the es100's.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EnjoyTheRideDC2 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">All that the driver cares about is that they deliver identical grip and traction, in most daily driven conditions, as the es100's.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Then you'll have to get the ES100, or a tire that is as good or better than the ES100, such as the Kumho Ecsta SPT. All-season tires like the AVID T4 will not perform anywhere near as well as good summer tires like the ES100. The General UHP which you mention is better than an all-season tire, but not as good as the ES100. (See the side-by-side comparison test on the Tire Rack website for details.) If you care about performance, then that's what I'd recommend - the ES100 or the SPT.
I also recommend that you check your inflation pressures at least once a month, rotate the tires (front to back) every 7-10K miles, and get an alignment if you haven't had one in a while; all of these factors can affect the treadlife of your tires. The ES100 should last much, MUCH longer than 15K miles on a street-driven Integra. We are using the ES100 on our '94 GS-R. We already have 30K miles on the same tires (ES100, 195/55-15) and they still have about 5/32" of tread depth left. We should have well over 40K miles on them, maybe 45K, before they're down to the treadwear indicator bars (which are flat across at 2/32").
Then you'll have to get the ES100, or a tire that is as good or better than the ES100, such as the Kumho Ecsta SPT. All-season tires like the AVID T4 will not perform anywhere near as well as good summer tires like the ES100. The General UHP which you mention is better than an all-season tire, but not as good as the ES100. (See the side-by-side comparison test on the Tire Rack website for details.) If you care about performance, then that's what I'd recommend - the ES100 or the SPT.
I also recommend that you check your inflation pressures at least once a month, rotate the tires (front to back) every 7-10K miles, and get an alignment if you haven't had one in a while; all of these factors can affect the treadlife of your tires. The ES100 should last much, MUCH longer than 15K miles on a street-driven Integra. We are using the ES100 on our '94 GS-R. We already have 30K miles on the same tires (ES100, 195/55-15) and they still have about 5/32" of tread depth left. We should have well over 40K miles on them, maybe 45K, before they're down to the treadwear indicator bars (which are flat across at 2/32").
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxtasy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Then you'll have to get the ES100, or a tire that is as good or better than the ES100, such as the Kumho Ecsta SPT. All-season tires like the AVID T4 will not perform anywhere near as well as good summer tires like the ES100. The General UHP which you mention is better than an all-season tire, but not as good as the ES100. (See the side-by-side comparison test on the Tire Rack website for details.) If you care about performance, then that's what I'd recommend - the ES100 or the SPT.
I also recommend that you check your inflation pressures at least once a month, rotate the tires (front to back) every 7-10K miles, and get an alignment if you haven't had one in a while; all of these factors can affect the treadlife of your tires. The ES100 should last much, MUCH longer than 15K miles on a street-driven Integra. We are using the ES100 on our '94 GS-R. We already have 30K miles on the same tires (ES100, 195/55-15) and they still have about 5/32" of tread depth left. We should have well over 40K miles on them, maybe 45K, before they're down to the treadwear indicator bars (which are flat across at 2/32").
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The General UHP which you mention is better than an all-season tire, but not as good as the ES100. (See the side-by-side comparison test on the Tire Rack website for details.) - I did that....But the problem is, not many have sent in solid reviews on the tire. Well, at least not enough to show its overall performance as a tire.
Regarding the treadlife on the AVS ES100: I have had a set last about 24K and was told it shouldn't last more than 28K more or less. Its odd how my tires tend to wear unevenly so quickly. I rotate the tires every 5k and notice something unusual about the tires every time. I know alignment will help, but it seems as if every alignment shop I go to just doesn't get it aligned right....odd.
Then you'll have to get the ES100, or a tire that is as good or better than the ES100, such as the Kumho Ecsta SPT. All-season tires like the AVID T4 will not perform anywhere near as well as good summer tires like the ES100. The General UHP which you mention is better than an all-season tire, but not as good as the ES100. (See the side-by-side comparison test on the Tire Rack website for details.) If you care about performance, then that's what I'd recommend - the ES100 or the SPT.
I also recommend that you check your inflation pressures at least once a month, rotate the tires (front to back) every 7-10K miles, and get an alignment if you haven't had one in a while; all of these factors can affect the treadlife of your tires. The ES100 should last much, MUCH longer than 15K miles on a street-driven Integra. We are using the ES100 on our '94 GS-R. We already have 30K miles on the same tires (ES100, 195/55-15) and they still have about 5/32" of tread depth left. We should have well over 40K miles on them, maybe 45K, before they're down to the treadwear indicator bars (which are flat across at 2/32").
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The General UHP which you mention is better than an all-season tire, but not as good as the ES100. (See the side-by-side comparison test on the Tire Rack website for details.) - I did that....But the problem is, not many have sent in solid reviews on the tire. Well, at least not enough to show its overall performance as a tire.
Regarding the treadlife on the AVS ES100: I have had a set last about 24K and was told it shouldn't last more than 28K more or less. Its odd how my tires tend to wear unevenly so quickly. I rotate the tires every 5k and notice something unusual about the tires every time. I know alignment will help, but it seems as if every alignment shop I go to just doesn't get it aligned right....odd.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EnjoyTheRideDC2 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Regarding the treadlife on the AVS ES100: I have had a set last about 24K and was told it shouldn't last more than 28K more or less. Its odd how my tires tend to wear unevenly so quickly. I rotate the tires every 5k and notice something unusual about the tires every time. I know alignment will help, but it seems as if every alignment shop I go to just doesn't get it aligned right....odd.</TD></TR></TABLE>
There are other things (besides alignment) that can cause tires to wear unevenly, such as the suspension. For example, we just found that the bushings on the lower control arms of our GS-R were badly worn. (If you don't know what that can do, the effect is kind of like constantly wiggling the steering wheel back and forth as you're driving down the road.) This was causing the inside edge of the tread of one front tire to wear really fast. Another example is overinflation (which typically causes the middle of the tread to wear faster than both edges) and underinflation (which typically does the reverse).
I know not everyone gets the same treadlife from a set of tires, too...
There are other things (besides alignment) that can cause tires to wear unevenly, such as the suspension. For example, we just found that the bushings on the lower control arms of our GS-R were badly worn. (If you don't know what that can do, the effect is kind of like constantly wiggling the steering wheel back and forth as you're driving down the road.) This was causing the inside edge of the tread of one front tire to wear really fast. Another example is overinflation (which typically causes the middle of the tread to wear faster than both edges) and underinflation (which typically does the reverse).
I know not everyone gets the same treadlife from a set of tires, too...
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxtasy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
There are other things (besides alignment) that can cause tires to wear unevenly, such as the suspension. For example, we just found that the bushings on the lower control arms of our GS-R were badly worn. (If you don't know what that can do, the effect is kind of like constantly wiggling the steering wheel back and forth as you're driving down the road.) This was causing the inside edge of the tread of one front tire to wear really fast. Another example is overinflation (which typically causes the middle of the tread to wear faster than both edges) and underinflation (which typically does the reverse).
I know not everyone gets the same treadlife from a set of tires, too...
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Well, there's the explanation to my issues with the rear tires.....Bushings it is. Tire Pressures, I monitor closely. at least once a week, I take a quick check of all 4 tires to make sure everything is good.
Basically, there is no compromise to the AVS ES100 in regards to price and performance? I dont want to save 50 bucks and get a tire that wont perform nearly as good as my previous tire.
There are other things (besides alignment) that can cause tires to wear unevenly, such as the suspension. For example, we just found that the bushings on the lower control arms of our GS-R were badly worn. (If you don't know what that can do, the effect is kind of like constantly wiggling the steering wheel back and forth as you're driving down the road.) This was causing the inside edge of the tread of one front tire to wear really fast. Another example is overinflation (which typically causes the middle of the tread to wear faster than both edges) and underinflation (which typically does the reverse).
I know not everyone gets the same treadlife from a set of tires, too...
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Well, there's the explanation to my issues with the rear tires.....Bushings it is. Tire Pressures, I monitor closely. at least once a week, I take a quick check of all 4 tires to make sure everything is good.
Basically, there is no compromise to the AVS ES100 in regards to price and performance? I dont want to save 50 bucks and get a tire that wont perform nearly as good as my previous tire.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EnjoyTheRideDC2 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Basically, there is no compromise to the AVS ES100 in regards to price and performance? I dont want to save 50 bucks and get a tire that wont perform nearly as good as my previous tire.</TD></TR></TABLE>
The tires that you mentioned are not as good as the ES100 in terms of performance.
If you're looking for a tire that performs as well as the ES100 and doesn't cost more money, there are two others that I would also consider for your Integra:
1. The Kumho Ecsta SPT was recently introduced. According to the side-by-side comparison test on the Tire Rack website, the SPT is about as good as the ES100 on dry pavement, and is better than the ES100 on wet pavement (and I'm sure you know that the ES100 is already pretty good in the wet). In some sizes, the SPT is a few dollars less than the ES100. In the stock Integra size of 195/55-15, the SPT is two bucks more ($63 vs $61). You can't always trust treadwear ratings, but FWIW, the SPT is better than the ES100 (340 vs 280).
2. If you are using 205/50-15 tires instead of the stock 195/55-15 size, another tire that is similar in performance to the ES100 (no tests available) is the Dunlop Direzza DZ101. The Tire Rack sells them for $58, but Edge Racing is selling that size DZ101 on special for $45/tire, which is a heck of a deal. Treadwear is 300.
The tires that you mentioned are not as good as the ES100 in terms of performance.
If you're looking for a tire that performs as well as the ES100 and doesn't cost more money, there are two others that I would also consider for your Integra:
1. The Kumho Ecsta SPT was recently introduced. According to the side-by-side comparison test on the Tire Rack website, the SPT is about as good as the ES100 on dry pavement, and is better than the ES100 on wet pavement (and I'm sure you know that the ES100 is already pretty good in the wet). In some sizes, the SPT is a few dollars less than the ES100. In the stock Integra size of 195/55-15, the SPT is two bucks more ($63 vs $61). You can't always trust treadwear ratings, but FWIW, the SPT is better than the ES100 (340 vs 280).
2. If you are using 205/50-15 tires instead of the stock 195/55-15 size, another tire that is similar in performance to the ES100 (no tests available) is the Dunlop Direzza DZ101. The Tire Rack sells them for $58, but Edge Racing is selling that size DZ101 on special for $45/tire, which is a heck of a deal. Treadwear is 300.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxtasy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
The tires that you mentioned are not as good as the ES100 in terms of performance.
If you're looking for a tire that performs as well as the ES100 and doesn't cost more money, there are two others that I would also consider for your Integra:
1. The Kumho Ecsta SPT was recently introduced. According to the side-by-side comparison test on the Tire Rack website, the SPT is about as good as the ES100 on dry pavement, and is better than the ES100 on wet pavement (and I'm sure you know that the ES100 is already pretty good in the wet). In some sizes, the SPT is a few dollars less than the ES100. In the stock Integra size of 195/55-15, the SPT is two bucks more ($63 vs $61). You can't always trust treadwear ratings, but FWIW, the SPT is better than the ES100 (340 vs 280).
2. If you are using 205/50-15 tires instead of the stock 195/55-15 size, another tire that is similar in performance to the ES100 (no tests available) is the Dunlop Direzza DZ101. The Tire Rack sells them for $58, but Edge Racing is selling that size DZ101 on special for $45/tire, which is a heck of a deal. Treadwear is 300.
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Thanks for the info so far nsxtasy. Tire size wise, I forgot to mention i'm actually running a 16" wheel with a 205-45-16 tire. I recall the Direzza being on tire rack before, but not sure in a 205-45-16. I will definitely take your suggestions into account when making my purchase. Most likely, if I cant find a decent price on the direzza or spt, i'll just pick up es100's again, change out my rear lower arm bushings, and hope for the best.
The tires that you mentioned are not as good as the ES100 in terms of performance.
If you're looking for a tire that performs as well as the ES100 and doesn't cost more money, there are two others that I would also consider for your Integra:
1. The Kumho Ecsta SPT was recently introduced. According to the side-by-side comparison test on the Tire Rack website, the SPT is about as good as the ES100 on dry pavement, and is better than the ES100 on wet pavement (and I'm sure you know that the ES100 is already pretty good in the wet). In some sizes, the SPT is a few dollars less than the ES100. In the stock Integra size of 195/55-15, the SPT is two bucks more ($63 vs $61). You can't always trust treadwear ratings, but FWIW, the SPT is better than the ES100 (340 vs 280).
2. If you are using 205/50-15 tires instead of the stock 195/55-15 size, another tire that is similar in performance to the ES100 (no tests available) is the Dunlop Direzza DZ101. The Tire Rack sells them for $58, but Edge Racing is selling that size DZ101 on special for $45/tire, which is a heck of a deal. Treadwear is 300.
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Thanks for the info so far nsxtasy. Tire size wise, I forgot to mention i'm actually running a 16" wheel with a 205-45-16 tire. I recall the Direzza being on tire rack before, but not sure in a 205-45-16. I will definitely take your suggestions into account when making my purchase. Most likely, if I cant find a decent price on the direzza or spt, i'll just pick up es100's again, change out my rear lower arm bushings, and hope for the best.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EnjoyTheRideDC2 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i'm actually running a 16" wheel with a 205-45-16 tire.</TD></TR></TABLE>
The Direzza doesn't come in 205/45-16, but does come in 215/45-16, which should also fit your Integra. However, only the 205/50-15 size is on special at Edge Racing; the DZ101 in the 16" size is almost as expensive as the Goodyear F1 GS-D3 ($131), which is a great tire - so if you're going to spend $109 for the Dunlop in that size, you may as well spend a little more for the Goodyear. Or, get the Kumho or Yoko and pocket the savings.
Yoko ES100 205/45-16 $82 (Tire Rack)
Kumho SPT 205/45-16 $74 (Tire Rack)
Dunlop DZ101 215/45-16 $115 (Tire Rack), $109 (Edge Racing)
BTW, not that it matters, but the worn out bushings on our GS-R were in the front...
The Direzza doesn't come in 205/45-16, but does come in 215/45-16, which should also fit your Integra. However, only the 205/50-15 size is on special at Edge Racing; the DZ101 in the 16" size is almost as expensive as the Goodyear F1 GS-D3 ($131), which is a great tire - so if you're going to spend $109 for the Dunlop in that size, you may as well spend a little more for the Goodyear. Or, get the Kumho or Yoko and pocket the savings.
Yoko ES100 205/45-16 $82 (Tire Rack)
Kumho SPT 205/45-16 $74 (Tire Rack)
Dunlop DZ101 215/45-16 $115 (Tire Rack), $109 (Edge Racing)
BTW, not that it matters, but the worn out bushings on our GS-R were in the front...
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Also, was the car aligned right, 15,000 miles damn. I plan on getting 12-15,000 miles on my new Azenis RT-615's.
aggressively driven or not, that is a longer wearing tire...something not right there or i'm missing something.
aggressively driven or not, that is a longer wearing tire...something not right there or i'm missing something.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxtasy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
The Direzza doesn't come in 205/45-16, but does come in 215/45-16, which should also fit your Integra. However, only the 205/50-15 size is on special at Edge Racing; the DZ101 in the 16" size is almost as expensive as the Goodyear F1 GS-D3 ($131), which is a great tire - so if you're going to spend $109 for the Dunlop in that size, you may as well spend a little more for the Goodyear. Or, get the Kumho or Yoko and pocket the savings.
Yoko ES100 205/45-16 $82 (Tire Rack)
Kumho SPT 205/45-16 $74 (Tire Rack)
Dunlop DZ101 215/45-16 $115 (Tire Rack), $109 (Edge Racing)
BTW, not that it matters, but the worn out bushings on our GS-R were in the front...
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Wow, that kumho looks somewhat interesting....not sure if I want to experiment much when I know the es100 is a strong tire....just wondering if you have personally tried the tire??
BUshings/Alignment - Well, my irregular tire wear is in the rear. Even after I got all 4 wheels aligned, something still felt wrong. Its as if the places I go to dont know what they're doing. Not sure if it matters, but one of the times, they were aligning my car with the specs of a 90-93 integra GSR. Would that throw it off?
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by alwaysoverkill »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Also, was the car aligned right, 15,000 miles damn. I plan on getting 12-15,000 miles on my new Azenis RT-615's.
aggressively driven or not, that is a longer wearing tire...something not right there or i'm missing something.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I have reason to believe the car was not aligned right. Also, I did have an incident with a pothole which i'm sure threw it off alignment. I agree, something was wrong, but I got the darn car aligned 2 times within a 3 month period and after each time, the tire wore irregularly....it was odd. The car has 110k and only the rear trailing arm bushings have been changed. I might just have to bite the bullet and swap em all out.
The Direzza doesn't come in 205/45-16, but does come in 215/45-16, which should also fit your Integra. However, only the 205/50-15 size is on special at Edge Racing; the DZ101 in the 16" size is almost as expensive as the Goodyear F1 GS-D3 ($131), which is a great tire - so if you're going to spend $109 for the Dunlop in that size, you may as well spend a little more for the Goodyear. Or, get the Kumho or Yoko and pocket the savings.
Yoko ES100 205/45-16 $82 (Tire Rack)
Kumho SPT 205/45-16 $74 (Tire Rack)
Dunlop DZ101 215/45-16 $115 (Tire Rack), $109 (Edge Racing)
BTW, not that it matters, but the worn out bushings on our GS-R were in the front...
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Wow, that kumho looks somewhat interesting....not sure if I want to experiment much when I know the es100 is a strong tire....just wondering if you have personally tried the tire??
BUshings/Alignment - Well, my irregular tire wear is in the rear. Even after I got all 4 wheels aligned, something still felt wrong. Its as if the places I go to dont know what they're doing. Not sure if it matters, but one of the times, they were aligning my car with the specs of a 90-93 integra GSR. Would that throw it off?
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by alwaysoverkill »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Also, was the car aligned right, 15,000 miles damn. I plan on getting 12-15,000 miles on my new Azenis RT-615's.
aggressively driven or not, that is a longer wearing tire...something not right there or i'm missing something.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I have reason to believe the car was not aligned right. Also, I did have an incident with a pothole which i'm sure threw it off alignment. I agree, something was wrong, but I got the darn car aligned 2 times within a 3 month period and after each time, the tire wore irregularly....it was odd. The car has 110k and only the rear trailing arm bushings have been changed. I might just have to bite the bullet and swap em all out.
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Or, get the Kumho or Yoko and pocket the savings.
Yoko ES100 205/45-16 $82 (Tire Rack)
Kumho SPT 205/45-16 $74 (Tire Rack)
Dunlop DZ101 215/45-16 $115 (Tire Rack), $109 (Edge Racing)
BTW, not that it matters, but the worn out bushings on our GS-R were in the front...
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OK, Now comparing my choices....205-45-16 size tire
1] Yoko ES100 - $82
2] Yoko Avid H4S - $79
3] Kumho SPT - $74
All three tires are similarily rated in overall performance....Just the treadwear rating in the H4s is almost double that of the ES100 and the H4S is only an all season HP tires, as opposed to a UHP summer tire...
Anyone have further insight?
Or, get the Kumho or Yoko and pocket the savings.
Yoko ES100 205/45-16 $82 (Tire Rack)
Kumho SPT 205/45-16 $74 (Tire Rack)
Dunlop DZ101 215/45-16 $115 (Tire Rack), $109 (Edge Racing)
BTW, not that it matters, but the worn out bushings on our GS-R were in the front...
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OK, Now comparing my choices....205-45-16 size tire
1] Yoko ES100 - $82
2] Yoko Avid H4S - $79
3] Kumho SPT - $74
All three tires are similarily rated in overall performance....Just the treadwear rating in the H4s is almost double that of the ES100 and the H4S is only an all season HP tires, as opposed to a UHP summer tire...
Anyone have further insight?
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Not yet, but people whose experience I trust have, and they say it's the real deal - as good as the ES100 or better.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EnjoyTheRideDC2 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">BUshings/Alignment - Well, my irregular tire wear is in the rear. Even after I got all 4 wheels aligned, something still felt wrong. Its as if the places I go to dont know what they're doing. Not sure if it matters, but one of the times, they were aligning my car with the specs of a 90-93 integra GSR. Would that throw it off?</TD></TR></TABLE>
It's possible; I don't know.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EnjoyTheRideDC2 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have reason to believe the car was not aligned right. Also, I did have an incident with a pothole which i'm sure threw it off alignment. I agree, something was wrong, but I got the darn car aligned 2 times within a 3 month period and after each time, the tire wore irregularly....it was odd. The car has 110k and only the rear trailing arm bushings have been changed. I might just have to bite the bullet and swap em all out.</TD></TR></TABLE>
No offense, but it sounds like you're trying to replace parts because you're used to DIY, keep replacing parts until the car is fixed. Do yourself a favor - find a shop (even a dealer, whoever is the best, most experienced mechanic in your area) who knows what they're doing, and pay them a few hours labor to fix your car. There are times when that's less expensive than spending hour after hour guessing at things and replacing parts that might or might not really be the problem. Just my O, of course.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EnjoyTheRideDC2 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">OK, Now comparing my choices....205-45-16 size tire
1] Yoko ES100 - $82
2] Yoko Avid H4S - $79
3] Kumho SPT - $74
All three tires are similarily rated in overall performance....Just the treadwear rating in the H4s is almost double that of the ES100 and the H4S is only an all season HP tires, as opposed to a UHP summer tire...
Anyone have further insight? </TD></TR></TABLE>
The Avid is NOT similar in overall performance. It's an all-season tire. It's better in snow, but in moderate to warm temperatures, the ES100 and SPT will out-corner, out-handle, out-accelerate, and out-brake the Avid. By far. Users might give it those ratings, but that's because people who buy all-season tires aren't interested in performance; they give it a good rating because they're used to all-season tires. They're not comparing it to a summer tire that really IS better.
If you want performance, get the SPT or the ES100. (Between the two... My money? I'd get the SPT.) If you only care about treadwear, and you don't mind taking a HUGE step down in performance, then sure, get the all-seasons. Your choice. But if you meant what you said - "All that the driver cares about is that they deliver identical grip and traction" (to the ES100) - then don't get all-season tires, or you will almost certainly be disappointed.
Not yet, but people whose experience I trust have, and they say it's the real deal - as good as the ES100 or better.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EnjoyTheRideDC2 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">BUshings/Alignment - Well, my irregular tire wear is in the rear. Even after I got all 4 wheels aligned, something still felt wrong. Its as if the places I go to dont know what they're doing. Not sure if it matters, but one of the times, they were aligning my car with the specs of a 90-93 integra GSR. Would that throw it off?</TD></TR></TABLE>
It's possible; I don't know.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EnjoyTheRideDC2 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have reason to believe the car was not aligned right. Also, I did have an incident with a pothole which i'm sure threw it off alignment. I agree, something was wrong, but I got the darn car aligned 2 times within a 3 month period and after each time, the tire wore irregularly....it was odd. The car has 110k and only the rear trailing arm bushings have been changed. I might just have to bite the bullet and swap em all out.</TD></TR></TABLE>
No offense, but it sounds like you're trying to replace parts because you're used to DIY, keep replacing parts until the car is fixed. Do yourself a favor - find a shop (even a dealer, whoever is the best, most experienced mechanic in your area) who knows what they're doing, and pay them a few hours labor to fix your car. There are times when that's less expensive than spending hour after hour guessing at things and replacing parts that might or might not really be the problem. Just my O, of course.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EnjoyTheRideDC2 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">OK, Now comparing my choices....205-45-16 size tire
1] Yoko ES100 - $82
2] Yoko Avid H4S - $79
3] Kumho SPT - $74
All three tires are similarily rated in overall performance....Just the treadwear rating in the H4s is almost double that of the ES100 and the H4S is only an all season HP tires, as opposed to a UHP summer tire...
Anyone have further insight?
</TD></TR></TABLE>The Avid is NOT similar in overall performance. It's an all-season tire. It's better in snow, but in moderate to warm temperatures, the ES100 and SPT will out-corner, out-handle, out-accelerate, and out-brake the Avid. By far. Users might give it those ratings, but that's because people who buy all-season tires aren't interested in performance; they give it a good rating because they're used to all-season tires. They're not comparing it to a summer tire that really IS better.
If you want performance, get the SPT or the ES100. (Between the two... My money? I'd get the SPT.) If you only care about treadwear, and you don't mind taking a HUGE step down in performance, then sure, get the all-seasons. Your choice. But if you meant what you said - "All that the driver cares about is that they deliver identical grip and traction" (to the ES100) - then don't get all-season tires, or you will almost certainly be disappointed.
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Re: Ultra High Performance S Vs. High Performance AS tires....Daily Driver (nsxtasy)
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No offense, but it sounds like you're trying to replace parts because you're used to DIY, keep replacing parts until the car is fixed. Do yourself a favor - find a shop (even a dealer, whoever is the best, most experienced mechanic in your area) who knows what they're doing, and pay them a few hours labor to fix your car. There are times when that's less expensive than spending hour after hour guessing at things and replacing parts that might or might not really be the problem. Just my O, of course.
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No offense taken, as you've somewhat guessed right....I'm more used to the DIY style but I do make an effort to understand what the problem is before I go off and buy any ol part. Otherwise, i'd be beyond broke and own an Integra with 15k invested in replacement parts...lol. Just had horrible luck with mechanics and shops that its hard to trust them with my hard earned money.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxtasy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
The Avid is NOT similar in overall performance. It's an all-season tire. It's better in snow, but in moderate to warm temperatures, the ES100 and SPT will out-corner, out-handle, out-accelerate, and out-brake the Avid. By far. Users might give it those ratings, but that's because people who buy all-season tires aren't interested in performance; they give it a good rating because they're used to all-season tires. They're not comparing it to a summer tire that really IS better.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Never saw it this way.....
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If you want performance, get the SPT or the ES100. (Between the two... My money? I'd get the SPT.) If you only care about treadwear, and you don't mind taking a HUGE step down in performance, then sure, get the all-seasons. Your choice. But if you meant what you said - "All that the driver cares about is that they deliver identical grip and traction" (to the ES100) - then don't get all-season tires, or you will almost certainly be disappointed.
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I understand. The H4S was just appealing due to wear....but in my mind, it was either the SPT or ES100. I just wanted to understand the trade off between the 3. But considering I have not driven on any tire but Parada Spec 2's and ES100's for over 4 years, I'd be afraid to run anything less....
I just might give these kumho's a try, even though I have not been a fan of Kumho's previous SUpra 712's and 711's
No offense, but it sounds like you're trying to replace parts because you're used to DIY, keep replacing parts until the car is fixed. Do yourself a favor - find a shop (even a dealer, whoever is the best, most experienced mechanic in your area) who knows what they're doing, and pay them a few hours labor to fix your car. There are times when that's less expensive than spending hour after hour guessing at things and replacing parts that might or might not really be the problem. Just my O, of course.
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No offense taken, as you've somewhat guessed right....I'm more used to the DIY style but I do make an effort to understand what the problem is before I go off and buy any ol part. Otherwise, i'd be beyond broke and own an Integra with 15k invested in replacement parts...lol. Just had horrible luck with mechanics and shops that its hard to trust them with my hard earned money.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxtasy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
The Avid is NOT similar in overall performance. It's an all-season tire. It's better in snow, but in moderate to warm temperatures, the ES100 and SPT will out-corner, out-handle, out-accelerate, and out-brake the Avid. By far. Users might give it those ratings, but that's because people who buy all-season tires aren't interested in performance; they give it a good rating because they're used to all-season tires. They're not comparing it to a summer tire that really IS better.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Never saw it this way.....
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxtasy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
If you want performance, get the SPT or the ES100. (Between the two... My money? I'd get the SPT.) If you only care about treadwear, and you don't mind taking a HUGE step down in performance, then sure, get the all-seasons. Your choice. But if you meant what you said - "All that the driver cares about is that they deliver identical grip and traction" (to the ES100) - then don't get all-season tires, or you will almost certainly be disappointed.
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I understand. The H4S was just appealing due to wear....but in my mind, it was either the SPT or ES100. I just wanted to understand the trade off between the 3. But considering I have not driven on any tire but Parada Spec 2's and ES100's for over 4 years, I'd be afraid to run anything less....
I just might give these kumho's a try, even though I have not been a fan of Kumho's previous SUpra 712's and 711's
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Re: Ultra High Performance S Vs. High Performance AS tires....Daily Driver (EnjoyTheRideDC2)
Im basically in the same boat right now... I have my choices narrowed down to either 205/45/16 Kumho SPT or ES100s which I usually roll on. Im timid to buy a set of tires that I could be dissapointed with when I already have experiece with ES100s so I know what Im getting.
Plus I didnt like the 712's or 711's either
If you do get the SPTs please post your thoughts on them in this thread
Plus I didnt like the 712's or 711's either
If you do get the SPTs please post your thoughts on them in this thread
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Re: Ultra High Performance S Vs. High Performance AS tires....Daily Driver (inkedup)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by inkedup »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Im basically in the same boat right now... I have my choices narrowed down to either 205/45/16 Kumho SPT or ES100s which I usually roll on. Im timid to buy a set of tires that I could be dissapointed with when I already have experiece with ES100s so I know what Im getting.
Plus I didnt like the 712's or 711's either
If you do get the SPTs please post your thoughts on them in this thread </TD></TR></TABLE>
Unfortunately, I decided to get the es100's again. Like you, i'm afraid and not wealthy enough to be dissapointed. I have read a lot of users complain about sidewall flex and other issues. They did mention it was quieter than some they have previously rolled on, but for the extra few bucks, I think I'm going to stick with something I cant complain about...
Plus I didnt like the 712's or 711's either
If you do get the SPTs please post your thoughts on them in this thread
</TD></TR></TABLE>Unfortunately, I decided to get the es100's again. Like you, i'm afraid and not wealthy enough to be dissapointed. I have read a lot of users complain about sidewall flex and other issues. They did mention it was quieter than some they have previously rolled on, but for the extra few bucks, I think I'm going to stick with something I cant complain about...
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