for being a site with nothing but honda guys and yes including myself you think someone would know a thing or two about thios set up. this is the 3rd time ive posted and knowone knows. is anybody familiar with this set up how it runs whats the power. people keep saying its a poor mans b18c5.......i dont think a type r is a 2 liter....sorry guys.

2000CC Piston Kit

Our special piston kit is designed to be used with Type-R crankshafts and rods in a B20B block along with a B16A or Type-R cylinder head. The advantage is having a reliable 2.0 liter engine with an optimal rod-stroke ratio allowing for high rpm operation. Requires VTEC converstion kit commonly used on LS-VTEC engines.

Parts Required For Build Up Parts Source
B16A or Type-R Cylinder Head Honda B16A, Integra Type-R, Civic Type-R
B20B Engine Block Honda CRV, Stepwagon, SMX
Type-R Crankshaft B18C Type-R
Type-R Connecting Rods B18C Type-R
B20B Headgasket Honda
VTEC Conversion Oil Line Kit Most Honda specialist carry this product

Price: $980

Piston Size Compression Ratio Displacement Bore x Stroke
85.00mm 12.1 : 1 1979cc 85mm x 87.2mmm

 

poor mans 2.0L type r lol


its basically a b20/vtec. the reliablitity will be the same as a ls/vtec, depends on how good you build it. the r/s ratio is pretty good same as gsr you will be able to rev the same. its gonna make the same power any other 2.0L will, with tuning, and how good you build it.

 

B18 CYA, You should read it alittle closer

85mm b20b block? yikes
Not sleeved? yeehaw, timebomb

No way its a properly sleeved b20b block with ITR crank/rods etc etc for $980

I dont see any pistons listed and it has an advertised CR of 12.1:1?

Something is missing.

 

The way I read it, the $980.00 is for the pistons. You supply the rest. Nobody is going to have any experiance here, because no one would pay $980.00 for a set of 85mm pistons.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Nick M &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">B18 CYA, You should read it alittle closer

85mm b20b block? yikes
Not sleeved? yeehaw, timebomb

No way its a properly sleeved b20b block with ITR crank/rods etc etc for $980

I dont see any pistons listed and it has an advertised CR of 12.1:1?

Something is missing. </TD></TR></TABLE>

i skimmed through it lol, now that i read it close the way i see it is the same way as DonF, 980 for pistons, you supply block, head, crank, rods..etc.

the pistons ARE whats advertised, they are 85mm 12:1cr. at a price of 980$.

 

right just the pistons are $980 its really spendy but worth it i think. the way toda explains it is that its pretty much a stroked type r basically. but less expensive..well in my situation anyway. i already have a b16a head and block, so all i will need is pistons crank and rods. brand new through Honda the crank go's for $1,039 i know rediculous but its brand new, you can buy Spoon balanced ITR rods for $320 then the pistons and gaskets oil line etc. basically around $2500 which isnt to bad. If i where to start with a b18c5 thats roughly $4200-$5200 for motor plus pistons and the b20b block or i could just stroke it. I could stroke the b18c5 but that would cost about another $2000 give or take a little. i wanna try it because i havent seen it yet and you would have to agree if its coming from Toda that it'll be pretty awesome or else they wouldnt make it......

 

Thats a bunch of crap then

I should have read it closer too LOL

 

yeah i know i tried to put a pic up of the pistons but im a little comp. illiterate lol. if you wanna check out what im talking about and maybe so you guys can understand it better go to todaracing.com then go to b16a&b18c go down to forged pistons and it will be at the bottom of that page.

 

wow i wish i owned a piston company so i can rip you off to lol...

look around there is better deals. you can buy a complete SLEEVED BLOCK for 2500$ if thats what you wanna spend then just sell the one you got now.

 

There are many other brands to consider. Not all knocking Toda.

What drew you to Toda specifically?

I'm curious why you havent asked about any other brands.

 

i was also thinkin why cant i use an ls block one that is closed deck and bore that out? obviously the crank will work no problem. i know b20b cylinder walls are thin so i probably would have to resleeve it but do you think there would be really a difference between the two blocks they would both be getting the exact same treatment.

 

No it basically a bored type r. Stoke is 87 same as stock. That is way too much money, you are talking about 2 grand for just crank and pistons. Please look at other options first. It seems with your budget you could build one hell of a nice motor.

 

the block/head i picked up off honda-tech, BRAND NEW consists of

85mm golden eagle sleeved gsr block
1" golden eagle deckplate
13.5:1cr CUSTOM forged arias pistons
6.3777" CUSTOM cunningham rods
89mm balanced crank

fully built head ported by darrel ***
full rev/crower valvetrain

just to give you an idea...i paid 3800$ US for everything.

there is better options out there.

 

im a very strict jdm fan thats jsut what i love. i want all motor beacause i race scca and touge when i can. boost is good for highways and what not coming oyt of a corner you'll just spin and if your spinnin your not turning. Spoon Sports and Toda are the pioneers in road racing and especially Honda's. It might be spendy but you would have to agree that it would be bad ***. the only thing from Toda im looking for is just the pistons and maybe in the future their ITB's other than that its Spoon all the way. Im looking to join a circiut so i need reliable nothing but true Honda parts. my head already has spoon ITR cams and gears, valve springs Skunk 2 retainers, now im waiting to see what i think would work best. doing this setup or throwing the b16 block back in and biuld that, but theres a lack of torque. there is so much crap going threw my head i think im starting to confuse myself. and it being spendy do you wanna spend your money on something that your gonna have to fix in 6 months to a year or do you wanna spend good money on something that you know is gonna last and be different and original.

 

im definately gonna keep my eyes open thats for sure this project just kinda caught my eye. there are so many choices out there, i guess its just about preference and style but yeah im gonna keep my eyes open. the way i have it now isnt bad i just cant use the full potential of what my head can do cause i dont wanna stress that b20b out to bad.

 

good lord that is some compression your gonna have to run 110 everytime you drive but it would be fun as hell i bet. the power band in that motor is gonna be incredibal, and that is a pretty good price for all that, really good. how long do you think that motor would last in an endurance run?

 

i have no idea how long it would last, its going to be my summer daily driver, on 94 pump.

if spoon is what you want, why not buy a b16 spoon engine already, i mean its built for endurance racing and staying at high rpm?

 

Holy **** its not 'stroked' if you are using a ITR crank in a b20 you are literally DE-stroking it. If u wanna call it anyting its like an "over-bored type-r". You can very good forged pistons for about half of what u are paying for the todas also.

You are going to want to sleeve any of the b-series blocks awesll. b20 will be thin walls, and max bore on ls is 82ish.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by j_wod2000 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">im a very strict jdm fan thats jsut what i love. i want all motor beacause i race scca and touge when i can.</TD></TR></TABLE>

If you plan to race in SCCA, I am not sure why you are interested in something like a timebomb 85mm b20, and sleeving is not allowed in alot of amatuer road racing, what class are you running in?

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Spoon Sports and Toda are the pioneers in road racing and especially Honda's. It might be spendy but you would have to agree that it would be bad ***.</TD></TR></TABLE>

They arent pioneers in road racing, at all, any way you look at it. For Hondas specifcally, sure.

You're gonna have to try alittle harder in here to impress everyone, this isnt a bunch of 16 year olds where big price tags = bad ***. Results = bad ***. And unnecessarily spending $ on bling points doesnt go too far in here.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the only thing from Toda im looking for is just the pistons and maybe in the future their ITB's other than that its Spoon all the way.</TD></TR></TABLE>

What SCCA class are you going to use ITB's for?

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Im looking to join a circiut so i need reliable nothing but true Honda parts. my head already has spoon ITR cams and gears, valve springs Skunk 2 retainers, now im waiting to see what i think would work best. doing this setup or throwing the b16 block back in and biuld that, but theres a lack of torque.</TD></TR></TABLE>

A 85mm stock sleeve b20 could not be any farther from the term "reliable" There is nothing that would more unreliable.

What are Spoon ITR cams?

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">there is so much crap going threw my head i think im starting to confuse myself. and it being spendy do you wanna spend your money on something that your gonna have to fix in 6 months to a year or do you wanna spend good money on something that you know is gonna last and be different and original. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I would not be shocked if an 85mm b20 didnt last 1 race.

No one cares about different or original in road racing. Its about results. Not bling points. There is not much originality in building a b series motor anymore.

I am more confused with each post you make.

It sounds to me like you need to find a rule book for SCCA racing and go from there. You honestly sound very lost.

 

Send me lots of money and I will build you a "bad ***" motor
Do not get too hung up on brand names-I love Toda stuff, but for $980 you can get forged pistons and good rods.

 

sounds like you don't even have a car to race SCCA in. The b16 might not have alot of tq but it's pretty fast in the right car and in the right hands.

 

What our OP is talking about

 

If I am not mistaken, Toda has their pistons manufactured by Cosworth. Not that it matters much but I believe that the Toda pistons come with rings and pins as the picture shows. Also, it seems all the Japanese pistons use snap-rings instead of spiral locks like many American piston companies use.