I need a tire recommendation for 205/40 17", Looking to spend $100 per tire at most.

Priority is performance over treadlife or road noise/comfort. But I still need it to be all season, at least wet traction. My teg is boosted so I need good traction to grip when boost kicks in.

I searched and get minimal results. Anyone knows a tire poll?

Recommendations?

 

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my buddy just got a set of these from bfg he loves them



they are 120 each just a lil out of your range.

 

fuzions. no question... got them for 400$ balanced and put on.

 

same size 205 40 17 also that was my first car though with rice rims. gret tires though.

 

i really like yokohama avs es100s. they have great dry/wet ratings, and still pretty good in the snow.

what part of ohio are you from?


Modified by LSvtec03 at 4:03 AM 2/10/2006

 

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what part of ohio are you from?


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yep, my recomendation as welll.very nice tires.

 

i have a set too.. a nice tire either these or a kuhmo 712 are very nice tires in your price range

 

Nitto Neo Gens 205/40/17

 

Thanks for the recommendation guys.

Anyone ever used Kumho Ecsta ASX?

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what part of ohio are you from?
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central ohio

 

Try pm'ing Nsxtasy, i've seen him post all over the wheel and tire section. And he definetly seems as though he knows what hes talking about.

Ali

 

With two Integras in the garage (a GS-R and a Type R) I check out this forum, too.

Summary: Recommendations below in bold.

There's some confusion here. You asked about all-season tires (but mentioned wet traction) and people are recommending summer tires. You don't need all-season tires for rain; most summer tires are excellent in the rain. You DO need all-season tires for snow (and they're also good for frigid cold, even when the roads are dry). However, in moderate to warm weather, all-season tires just don't grip the road as well as even inexpensive summer tires. I would not recommend all-season tires for all year round on a boosted teg, for that reason. You really need to have the grip of a good summer tire on a boosted teg. For that matter, I think you're a lot better off spending more for better summer tires, rather than putting an artificial limit on your price. After all, why go to all the time and expense to turbo/supercharge your car, and then try to save money on tires that can't handle the power? And if you need to drive the car on snow in the winter, then get a separate set of wheels and tires for that purpose (in which case you may as well get winter tires for winter only, rather than all-season tires).

I made recommendations for someone with similar needs in this previous topic. In that topic, I recommended the following tires:

3. Specialty Super-Sticky Street Tires:
Falken Azenis RT-615 $97 from Vulcan

4. Best Top-of-the-Line Street Tires:
Goodyear F1 GS-D3 $143 from the Tire Rack

5. "Value" Top-of-the-Line Street Tires:
Kumho Ecsta MX $101 from the Tire Rack

FWIW, here's why I did NOT recommend the tires that others have mentioned in this topic:

BFG g-force T/A KDW2 - is really overpriced. It's a "budget performance tire", with performance similar to the Yokohama ES100, but costs 50-60 percent more for the same performance.

Fuzion ZRi - is a budget performance tire, good performance at a bargain price, but on a high-horsepower car, I think you're better off spending more money for better performance than budget performance tires offer.

Yokohama AVS ES100 - same reason as Fuzion ZRi.

Kumho Ecsta Supra 712 - is worse than the Yoko ES100 in every way, for about the same money.

Nitto NeoGens - haven't seen anything reliable about performance, haven't tried them.

Kumho Ecsta ASX - this is the all-season tire that I most frequently recommend, for its combination of performance and price. But again, for a high-horsepower application, you really need a high-performance summer tire that can handle that horsepower, not an all-season tire.

 

nsxtasy, Thanks so much for your writeup. They are very good insights.
If you don't mind I have some more questions/explanation:

1. I'm at 260whp/185wtq, so I would not consider mine a really serious boosted teg. I think I can get away with es100 or ecsta SPT. What do you think?

2. Yes, I know I'm a cheap guy, my turbo setup is all used parts and I don't think I can afford two sets of wheels/tires for winter. In this case, I want to ask, how bad are es100 or ecsta SPT or ZRi with average 30's deg F in midwest weather?

3. Similar to question#2, how would a good summer tire (say es100) compare with all season (say ecsta ASX) in snow traction or winter temperatures? Are they BIG difference or something I can live with as long as I'm not too aggressive in winter times?

4. How good are ASX dry traction compared to your recommendations?

5. What's your opinion on the tire tests in tirerack.com? Do you think your experiences verify those tests or vice versa?

THANKS!

 

Try them. The "nice" thing about tires is, they wear out, and you have to replace them sooner or later. So you can try one, and if it doesn't work out the way you hoped, try something different when they wear out. Just remember to rotate them so they all wear out at the same time.

The Yoko ES100 ($89 in 205/40-17) and the Kumho SPT ($63) are both great tires for the money, great "bang for the buck", with good dry traction, great wet traction, long treadlife, and a bargain price. Performance between the two is similar in the dry, with the SPT having an advantage in the wet (although the ES100 is still very good too). Prices of most sizes are similar; the spread between the two in this size is unusually wide. Save your money and get the SPT.

Bad, and big difference. On dry pavement, the ES100 and SPT won't grip as well as winter tires or all-season tires, but you can get away with it. On snow, both of them will be treacherous. I really wouldn't recommend it.

If you really need to use your car when it snows, get a set of cheap steelies and winter tires, neither of which is all that expensive. You don't mention which Integra model you have, but even the GS-R can use 14" steelies (or 15", of course). Worst case, you can buy new steelies and a set of new winter tires starting around $400-450. Look around on the marketplace forums here and on eBay and you can probably find both for a lot less. Otherwise, you're stuck with all-seasons all year long, and your performance the rest of the year will suffer. But if you simply have to use one tire on snow as well as in the summer, then get all-seasons. Don't risk having an accident just for higher performance.

In moderate to warm temperatures, their performance won't be anywhere near as good as the ES100 or SPT. If you have to buy one tire now, though, and you have to use it when it snows, they may be your best bet. If you have to do this, you can always buy another set of wheels and tires for summer use later, when you can afford it.

I have found that their test results (the side-by-side comparison tests) are very accurate, in my experience (and I get to experience a lot of these tires when I'm instructing in track events). However, I have also found that their user survey results are not always accurate. As best I can figure, that's because different people hear things and have different expectations when they buy different tires. For example, the Yoko ES100 beat the Kumho 712 big-time in their side-by-side comparison test (the ES100 won all 23 out of 23 characteristics tested), which is consistent with my experience, yet the 712 has slightly higher user survey results. I can only guess that that's because people who buy the ES100 expect it to be better than people who buy the 712.

 

Thanks! I'll give it some more thoughts.
I guess my choice comes down to either the SPT or ASX, depending whether I plan to buy another set of winter tires down the road

 

you should check out the pirelli p-zero nero's. very grippy tire and works well in the rain. I paid about 112 per tire. I just had discout tire match tirerack.com's price. Oh yeah Im boosted too.

 

the kumho MX's i have em and i love em stick a lot better to the track then the azenis i love em and u cant beat the price

 

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The P Zero Nero summer tire does not come in 205/40-17, which is the best size for 17" wheels on a teg.

If you're referring to the P Zero Nero M+S all-season tire, that one does come in 205/40-17. Its performance is similar to the Kumho Ecsta ASX, and the price in some sizes is similar also. However, 205/40-17 isn't one of them; the P Zero Nero M+S is $106, vs $64 for the Kumho Ecsta ASX. Which makes the choice easy.

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Oh come on, let's not kid ourselves. The Kumho MX is a very good tire for the money; it's a step up from the ES100 and SPT in performance (and price), which is why I mentioned it above. But it's nowhere near the performance level of the Azenis. (Check out the test in last August's Grassroots Motorsports, in which they tested six street tires on an autocross course, and the two Azenis models came in first and second, and the MX came in fifth, with lap times a full second longer than the Azenis.) The downside of the Azenis is that it wears very quickly, so even though it costs about the same as the MX, you'll need to replace them twice as often.

 

yeah i was referring to the p zero M+S all season.

 

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I searched and get minimal results. Anyone knows a tire poll?

Recommendations?
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