Finally drove the S2K, and just wanted to say that I now understand where everybody w/ an ITR who has driven one is coming from. I was thouroughly unimpressed (aside from the tranny), and although it was only for a few miles, I think the ITR is more fun to drive. As for track or auto-x, can't really compare w/ my limited info., but it is definetly not worth all of the praise and markups it seems to get. Also, not recommended for those my size, i.e. 6ft 4in. Just thought I would see how many people agree or how many flame me. BTW-car salesmen are retarted, they ask how much hp the ITR has and then, through the powers of deduction, decide the S2K is much faster. Well, didn't seem faster to me.

 

I`ve driven both and there is no comparison IMO. Get an s2k if you fit and can deal w/ the lack of storage and what not.

Ryan

 

Here's an autoX compare between two very well driven cars: (FYI - fastest time of the day was 59.9xx sec on a "V8" high speed course)

Bone Stock S2000 w/ R-compound tires = 62.2xx
"Stock" ITR w/ HPS + AEM CAI + JDM rear strut bar = 66.xxx

Sure, ITR with R-compound tires would've cut ~2 seconds off the time ... but S2000 definitely has advantage with RWD format + displacement + HP. Too bad, they don't have a coupe version of S2000.

 

I am going to say before someone else does: AutoX is 95% driver.

 

Sure, but, both drivers were very "good" drivers. IMHO, the drivers were even in skills and the only major difference was R-compound tires on S2000. That's why I say take 2seconds off of ITR timing... still S2000 is faster around the course.

p.s. another S2000 hit 73 sec on the course... definitely driver is a big part of the equation, but not the ones that i was comparing... it was all cars.

 

It's called a hard top my friend and man does it look nice.

 

It "looks nice", but it's far from welded in place to provide more rigidity.

 

Well I can tell you that with the same driver (i.e. ME) the S2000 is always at least a full second faster in any course (AutoX or track) unless the track is covered with Snow and I have Winter tires with metal studs fitted to the ITR!

 

For some reason that ITR's time and mods are exactly the same as mine.
Remember Sean that it was only my second auto-x ever. I might have decent times for a beginner, but I still have a ton of learning to do. S2000 will of course have an advantage, but is it $10,000 more fun than the R?

 

well to some also 1/4 counts too! s2k well there some that in stock trim the hit 13's high 13's that is .and as far as look
itr well is always a well balance car there both great cars

 

The S2K is faster and it's seats the driver in a better driving position. The steering on the car is quick! It was designed from the ground up for it's purpose and it delivers.

ITR is still a suped up Integra.

Any convertible will be more expensive than a hardtop.

 

I cannot believe this!!! s2000 is far superior in every aspect except practicality. Put on it a real race track (not autocross) and it will spank a type-r. The technology in s2000 is also years ahead of an R as it should be.

 

I have to agree w/ that. Shifter is awesome also. Acceleration wise the s2000 is a little faster than an ITR. If my R ever got stolen I'd probably pick up an s2000.

 

You will never get a straight unbiased answer out of anyone.

The cars are almost head to head performance wise with a little power advantage on the S2K side.

Most everyone is biased to the one he or she is used to driving, as the other would not feel as comfortable and in-tune with that specific driver. Although the cars may have similar #s, they drive very different.

I think it would be a better comparison to put a better seat in the ITR for better butt-dyno feel

I personally think I could do better with the S2K as I learn the car better.


[Modified by Cyberorth, 9:19 PM 3/25/2002]

 

S2K is for Starbucks drinking Marys.

 

I like the S2K, I'm going to test drive one next week.

 

I'm sorry, but everytime one of these S2k threads come up I feel compelled to post this.... https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=146968 I just think it's very funny.

 

Don't get me wrong, the S2K is a great car and felt very tight in every sense of the word. However, I question whether or not it is worth almost $10g's more than the ITR. Also, the salesman showed me the sales invoice for a brand new one that just sold. They got $44g for it. I almost laughed in their faces. I want to know who paid $10g's over invoice for one. Why not get a slightly used M3 at that point? Oh well.

 

The S2000 is a nicer car. period. This is the only place where I hear other wise, of course that is to be expected, since I imagine many here are biased and feel they need to justify the purchase of their ITR compared to an S2000. Of course the S2000 isnt for everyone, but neither is the ITR. They are both awesome cars for the price(MSRP) as far as Im concerned.

onyx00- Your ignorant comments are rediculous

 

Whether the S2000 is a nicer car or not is completely subjective. Most of the ITR owners on this board are open minded and know that the ITR is not the best out there in most respects (unless you're talking about front wheel drive track cars). It's not about justifying spending 10k less on a car, all around the car is more practical. I agree with you on the last part though.


[Modified by SoCal ITR, 6:53 AM 3/26/2002]

 

Yea, I agree, the ITR is way more practical. And if practicality is an issue (which I imagine it is with many people) the ITR is definetly the way to go between the two.

 

Actually, I cannot think of a single way in which the S2000 is more technologically advanced than the Type-R - the technology they use is pretty much identical.

The 120 hp/L power output of the S2000 is easily (and reliably) achieved by the B18C5 with a few bolt-ons; the 8900 rpm redline is also not that hard to reach by slapping on a new set of cams, springs and retainers. If anything, the suspension on the Type-R is more advanced than the S2000's because it does not have the S2000s nasty bump steer charactersitics.

 

Why is this even a question? If you want a fast sporty convertible, then you can't do better than an S2000. If you want a fast track ready sport compact, you can't do better than a Type R for the money.

Why can't everyone just enjoy both cars for what they are?

 

if you want a screaming fast track car for $35k give or take...get a corvette, or an M3. If you want a screaming fast track car for $20k give or take, get an ITR. If you want to bling bling...get an S2K. That's really the only reason I can see for people spending that much money on that car.

 

thats very true tecnic. why get an s2k if you can get a vette for about the same price!!! the vette will eat the s2k up, spit it out and **** on it. on the track street autox with my mom driving. then again it would do that to the itr too but they are not the same price range.